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Walking back into a ****storm tomorrow

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ThrowMeAwayTheVeryNextDay · 25/08/2025 22:10

I've been away on holiday for a week, back in the office tomorrow. There was a bit of a crisis happening before I went so I wrapped up as much as I could and did a decent handover. It's all blown up, my boss (CEO) has been sending furious emails and I've spent the week keeping a face on for DH and the DC while lying awake for hours at night thinking about it. My team have handled it like troopers but have also been messaging me and have set up a meeting first thing tomorrow before CEO gets in so I'm not blindsided, bless their thoughtfulness.

I'm going in extra early to clear my desk before my team get in, in case I'm getting fired. I don't know how I'm going to hold it together TBH. I've told DH that it's bad, but not how bad. He just said it's a bank holiday, don't worry about it until tomorrow. I'm tired, my holiday was ruined and I just want to go in and get it over with.

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ButterPiesAreGreat · 26/08/2025 13:52

I have to say, if the CEO thought it was really that serious, he would have been in and waiting for you first thing this morning. Hopefully, this is a good sign that he's not quite so furious as his first emails sounded. That said, he should never have sent them at all in that situation.

fruitbrewhaha · 26/08/2025 13:56

MrsMcGarry · 26/08/2025 10:58

So you had to make a call because CEO was on holiday and not disturbable, but you have been disturbed on your holiday because CEO now disagrees with the call you made because new info has come to light.

I wouldn't be apologising, I'd be complaining that you were left to deal with situations you shouldn't have had to handle. If CEO is going to give you responsibility then they also need to back you exercising it (unless you do something recklessly stupid)

This.

Im really pissed if on your behalf. How dare your ceo send ranting emails not one but numerous, while you’re on holiday. It’s very unprofessional. If the decision you made turns out to have been wrong then the system by which the information or data is collected in order to decide doesn’t work.

I’m a great believer in the premise that if something goes wrong, the systems aren’t in place to allow a person to do their job well or checks are in place to pick up on human error.

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2025 13:56

ButterPiesAreGreat · 26/08/2025 13:52

I have to say, if the CEO thought it was really that serious, he would have been in and waiting for you first thing this morning. Hopefully, this is a good sign that he's not quite so furious as his first emails sounded. That said, he should never have sent them at all in that situation.

Not necessarily because the CEO may have had to prioritise meetings with Board, investors, partners, regulators. Sorry to be negative but the CEO will be in at least as much shit as the OP and will have to clear his decks first.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 26/08/2025 13:57

ThrowMeAwayTheVeryNextDay · 26/08/2025 13:36

Quick update - this morning's been horrible. CEO isn't in yet so I'm still waiting for the big bollocking, but I've been in back-to-back meetings with my team, various VPs and experts to go over what's happening. It turns out it's worse than I knew because the investigation has turned up another area where we're not in compliance. I'm performing a gap analysis now while our legal team talks to a specialist firm.

Someone said a while ago that I might need to think about whether this is the right role for me. I've worked bloody hard to get here and done all sorts in my working life, including retail, cleaning, delivery driving... I worked just as hard in all of those jobs, but didn't have to take the work worry home with me. Instead, I was constantly worrying about where the money for the next set of school shoes or grocery shop was coming from. Assuming I can stick it out, I'm financially tied to this job for another 2 years, then can have a rethink about the trade-off between stress and salary and where I want to sit on that scale.

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@ThrowMeAwayTheVeryNextDay

Re the gap analysis you are performing, are you able to pin point and explain how and why those gaps arose? Lack of compliance is something that should be avoided with multiple safety nets - were those in place? Without naming or shaming or pointing fingers are you able to speak around why those gaps arose, why it was previously went wrong and what you suggest to prevent this happening again.

I think the focus of your suggestions should be on correction / resolution but you do need to explain how the mistakes happened.

I am rooting for you. Wishing you all the best.

ButterPiesAreGreat · 26/08/2025 13:59

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2025 13:56

Not necessarily because the CEO may have had to prioritise meetings with Board, investors, partners, regulators. Sorry to be negative but the CEO will be in at least as much shit as the OP and will have to clear his decks first.

I still think if it was going to be a formal process, there would be an appointment in both diaries. Also, if the CEO really is firefighting and the issue is OP's actions, wouldn't it make sense to speak to her to get her side of the story before going back to them?? Makes no sense but this CEO doesn't sound sensible.

Perimenoanti · 26/08/2025 14:04

Well OP would you panic as much about your job and role in this mess if you were a man? I know it won't help as all these men will hold you to a higher standard regardless and not see the double standards here. If you are lucky, I don't know how, there will be an opportunity to make someone else the fall guy. Because that's all it would be: someone might have to be the scapegoat at which point it would no longer be about you and your skills. You'd merely be a causualty.

Emmeline50 · 26/08/2025 14:07

Honestly, I know that you said that you needed to stay in this role for two years but maybe talk to your DH and see if there is anyway to downsize so you can leave now.

I let myself burnout so hard on work that I spent two months struggling to get out of bed, the recovery was so hard. Don't be me and get out while your health is still intact. Its not worth it!

CustardySergeant · 26/08/2025 14:07

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2025 13:56

Not necessarily because the CEO may have had to prioritise meetings with Board, investors, partners, regulators. Sorry to be negative but the CEO will be in at least as much shit as the OP and will have to clear his decks first.

Exactly. He won't be having a nice lie-in.

Firstholiday · 26/08/2025 14:08

Perimenoanti · 26/08/2025 14:04

Well OP would you panic as much about your job and role in this mess if you were a man? I know it won't help as all these men will hold you to a higher standard regardless and not see the double standards here. If you are lucky, I don't know how, there will be an opportunity to make someone else the fall guy. Because that's all it would be: someone might have to be the scapegoat at which point it would no longer be about you and your skills. You'd merely be a causualty.

This - when im stressed about work, i often think what would a man do! Because 9 times out of 10, the men i know would wing it somehow and certainly not blame themselves so much. It's sad but true.

Perimenoanti · 26/08/2025 14:09

Emmeline50 · 26/08/2025 14:07

Honestly, I know that you said that you needed to stay in this role for two years but maybe talk to your DH and see if there is anyway to downsize so you can leave now.

I let myself burnout so hard on work that I spent two months struggling to get out of bed, the recovery was so hard. Don't be me and get out while your health is still intact. Its not worth it!

First of all it depends on the sickness policy, so I would milk that and secondly, it's best to let herself get fired for the payout. Talking as someone who's been there too.

Emmeline50 · 26/08/2025 14:10

Perimenoanti · 26/08/2025 14:09

First of all it depends on the sickness policy, so I would milk that and secondly, it's best to let herself get fired for the payout. Talking as someone who's been there too.

That is a good point. I'm not in the UK so things work differently here.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/08/2025 14:12

ButterPiesAreGreat · 26/08/2025 13:52

I have to say, if the CEO thought it was really that serious, he would have been in and waiting for you first thing this morning. Hopefully, this is a good sign that he's not quite so furious as his first emails sounded. That said, he should never have sent them at all in that situation.

Yeah, either it's serious enough that the CEO should have been in first thing (or more likely, over the weekend), or it's not serious enough to have ruined the OP's holiday for.

Can't have it both ways.

What piss poor management.

TesChique · 26/08/2025 14:17

The CEO isnt in yet????

Cant be that serious then hopefully! Or hes just shit

Perimenoanti · 26/08/2025 14:18

Emmeline50 · 26/08/2025 14:10

That is a good point. I'm not in the UK so things work differently here.

I'm in the UK too. My old job paid the full salary for six months of sickness.

pontipinemum · 26/08/2025 14:19

It doesn't sound like all the responsibility of this falls onto your shoulders. You made the correct decision with the information available at the time. Was it possible to have got the new information sooner? Was that an over sight? Or did things change?

Either way as others have said I think I would also get out. I worked somewhere that absolutely destroyed me, and not even for the money, out of some misguided loyalty. I would never do it again

flowerbombpetal · 26/08/2025 14:23

Really sorry if this has been covered already, but what field/sector is this?

I'm struggling to understand what could be so damaging within an organisation that enabled to OP to make a decision that she's being blamed for? If this was so vital, then why was it left in her hands? Surely it's the CEO's fault?

ButterPiesAreGreat · 26/08/2025 14:25

CustardySergeant · 26/08/2025 14:07

Exactly. He won't be having a nice lie-in.

But equally, he may be having such meetings and then have to have another set of meetings once he has met with OP face to face. Not a great use of his time really. But then, doesn't sound like a logical person anyway.

99bottlesofkombucha · 26/08/2025 14:25

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2025 13:56

Not necessarily because the CEO may have had to prioritise meetings with Board, investors, partners, regulators. Sorry to be negative but the CEO will be in at least as much shit as the OP and will have to clear his decks first.

still don’t rate him. I work for a decent sized global company. The senior leadership team would all know the ceo was talking to the clients or whoever, because he’d have told them. But he would never have been uncontactable on holiday, nor would any of the senior team, and when it was they’d be supportively guiding the fact finding not giving out bollockings. That’s what a good firm looks like.

FionaTheBabyHippo · 26/08/2025 14:26

Hand hold from me… nothing worse than waiting on your fate. Hope it all turns out ok,and maybe you can get out of this place soon. Fingers crossed from me💐

Yodeldodeldo · 26/08/2025 14:30

You talk about non conformance, so I'm assuming this will be CAPA reported, in which case I believe the mantra is "its the process, not the people". Would anyone else have made the same error in the same circumstances and how can it be prevented. More useful longterm than a witch hunt

BlankBlankBlank14 · 26/08/2025 14:33

Emmeline50 · 26/08/2025 14:07

Honestly, I know that you said that you needed to stay in this role for two years but maybe talk to your DH and see if there is anyway to downsize so you can leave now.

I let myself burnout so hard on work that I spent two months struggling to get out of bed, the recovery was so hard. Don't be me and get out while your health is still intact. Its not worth it!

Op please listen to this, life’s to short.

But meanwhile I hope everything calms down.

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 14:34

Thepeopleversuswork · 26/08/2025 12:15

Not everyone has this choice. People always weigh in with comments like this but its quite unhelpful: for some of us it's a reality. If this is what your job requires of you, that's what you have to do.

It's easy to say "life is too short" but if you're the breadwinner in the family it isn't as simple as just walking away. It may be complex to find a less demanding job.

It irritates me when people blithely toss this around.

But this is also unhelpful because if people are prepared to accept it and follow along meekly and not challenge it then it perpetuates the culture and it continues to happen and it never gets better.

I work in a role where I'm regularly "on call" and have to make critical incident judgements off the bat on my own which directly impact others safety. When I'm on leave you better believe I'm on leave. I need that rest and downtime because my job is stressful and intense the rest of the time and burnout is a very real thing. Your points about how difficult it can be to deal with or to extricate yourself from are valid but if you reach burnout then you quite simply won't have a choice because you may not be able to physically leave your bed and will end up on long term sick anyway. Far too many people underestimate burnout and how long it can take to recover from.

I'm a lone parent. I'm the sole income for my family. Its essential that I do not burn out so you'd better believe I assert my boundaries well before that point in order to protect myself. It's not easy and I've spent time sticking it out in highly toxic cultures while working towards securing another post but you need to find ways to maintain professional boundaries.

ButterPiesAreGreat · 26/08/2025 14:37

Lavender14 · 26/08/2025 14:34

But this is also unhelpful because if people are prepared to accept it and follow along meekly and not challenge it then it perpetuates the culture and it continues to happen and it never gets better.

I work in a role where I'm regularly "on call" and have to make critical incident judgements off the bat on my own which directly impact others safety. When I'm on leave you better believe I'm on leave. I need that rest and downtime because my job is stressful and intense the rest of the time and burnout is a very real thing. Your points about how difficult it can be to deal with or to extricate yourself from are valid but if you reach burnout then you quite simply won't have a choice because you may not be able to physically leave your bed and will end up on long term sick anyway. Far too many people underestimate burnout and how long it can take to recover from.

I'm a lone parent. I'm the sole income for my family. Its essential that I do not burn out so you'd better believe I assert my boundaries well before that point in order to protect myself. It's not easy and I've spent time sticking it out in highly toxic cultures while working towards securing another post but you need to find ways to maintain professional boundaries.

Absolutely all of this. People, and in particular women, do not challenge what should be challenged in the workplace. And those in leadership often play on this to get away with things they shouldn't.

ThrowMeAwayTheVeryNextDay · 26/08/2025 14:39

Apparently the CEO will see me at 4. Long afternoon ahead.

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BlankBlankBlank14 · 26/08/2025 14:44

ThrowMeAwayTheVeryNextDay · 26/08/2025 14:39

Apparently the CEO will see me at 4. Long afternoon ahead.

Not that it’s much practical help, but we’re all behind you!

Hold your head up high.