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Losing my leave

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mumof2wife · 27/01/2025 22:12

Should I be bothered ?

Started a new job 6m ago. Love it.
Large organization. Love the work. Best job I've had. But they don't care about their staff at all and people always leaving - we are just numbers and figures so it's not a job for life but for now.

The annual leave policy is use or lose. Which is fine. In over 20 odd years of working I've never lost leave. Always managed to use or carry over but they don't do that.

However been trying to take the last 2 poxy days since DECEMBER! Keeps getting rejected. Time after time so today I talk to the manager to see if they can help me find days I can take who says

'Use it or lose it
Its policy
Sends link to policy
Please don't message anymore basically but in a nicer way! All through teams chat
We all wfh.

I've asked if we can try and sort out as I have been trying and I don't want to lose 2 days but I got the same response
And 'now I know for 2025 book it all up in one go'

To be fair it IS policy and it is clear
But surely use or lose should be for people not trying to request?

It's wound me up today and normally things don't bother me
It's 2 days I know not much
But also that's 2 days work where I could be at home with my children

I also got there are others who have also made the same mistake

When I spoke to my colleges they just said they don't really care about the staff

No employment rights I know so just thought I'd get others opinions

Thanks for reading x

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mumof2wife · 05/02/2025 23:09

burnoutbabe · 05/02/2025 22:40

If you leave before 31st March they'd have to pay unused holiday out anyway.

Only if I've accrued it and I may not if I leave before hand

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mumof2wife · 05/02/2025 23:10

Dumbles · 05/02/2025 22:18

Oh no! I thought the grievance was a great idea. I would definitely go down that route. However, if you don’t absolutely call in sick/take bereavement leave at the least convenient time.

It is but with other things going on at the moment it's been stressful enough so I feel better just letting them have it

  • I may change my mind but it's just how I feel atm
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Negroany · 06/02/2025 00:53

There's no legal right to bereavement leave (except for the death of your child, and who would lie about that?) so taking that won't work, they can just say no. Even if the said yes it would likely be unpaid.

And I suspect an employer like that doesn't pay sick pay, so going off sick and not being paid is a bit of an own goal.

Blueberry911 · 06/02/2025 06:42

This is why the company gets away with it.

Answeringaquestiontonight · 06/02/2025 08:07

Could you ask HR for advice? Are you in a union?

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 15:05

Negroany · 06/02/2025 00:53

There's no legal right to bereavement leave (except for the death of your child, and who would lie about that?) so taking that won't work, they can just say no. Even if the said yes it would likely be unpaid.

And I suspect an employer like that doesn't pay sick pay, so going off sick and not being paid is a bit of an own goal.

They pay sick pay and full pay

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 15:05

Answeringaquestiontonight · 06/02/2025 08:07

Could you ask HR for advice? Are you in a union?

I've asked HR they told me they don't deal with it

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 15:05

Blueberry911 · 06/02/2025 06:42

This is why the company gets away with it.

Yep I totally agree

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BingoDingoDog · 06/02/2025 16:35

@mumof2wife

I get the forgetting about it too. It's annoying but sometimes it's not worth the bother fighting about stuff like this even though the company is behaving outrageously.

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 16:49

BingoDingoDog · 06/02/2025 16:35

@mumof2wife

I get the forgetting about it too. It's annoying but sometimes it's not worth the bother fighting about stuff like this even though the company is behaving outrageously.

Yep exactly this 👌more important stuff going on in the world and I've spent too much time already
If I'm still there 1st April I'll make sure ALL my leave is booked until next year so it doesn't happen again
I've heard today someone has lost 4 days and someone else has lost 6 ! Apparently they've been told they are not allowed
To talk about it to anyone and apparently the managers are having a meeting about it
They were talking about it on teams and their manager come on and shut it down
Whatever that means
😏

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 06/02/2025 17:12

Join the union. Come April, you can raise the issue that theyve not allowed you to carry forward leave which they would not permit you to take in previous leave year.

If you don't they will continue to get away with it.

Heartbreaktuna · 06/02/2025 18:28

It nevers ceases to amaze me the absolute bollocks HR have the nerve to put in writing. So confidently wrong.
This is your response to HR op.
"Yes whilst managers put policies into operation, those policies cannot be in breach of my statutory rights. It is illegal to repeatedly deny my leave requests to the extent that I cannot take the statutory amount of holiday I am entitled to in the holiday year. ACAS have confirmed as such".

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 06/02/2025 18:32

Heartbreaktuna · 06/02/2025 18:28

It nevers ceases to amaze me the absolute bollocks HR have the nerve to put in writing. So confidently wrong.
This is your response to HR op.
"Yes whilst managers put policies into operation, those policies cannot be in breach of my statutory rights. It is illegal to repeatedly deny my leave requests to the extent that I cannot take the statutory amount of holiday I am entitled to in the holiday year. ACAS have confirmed as such".

Edited

You are right, they could easily check if they don't know. Hopefully they are not qualified, though I've known worse from qualified HR people.

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 20:18

Heartbreaktuna · 06/02/2025 18:28

It nevers ceases to amaze me the absolute bollocks HR have the nerve to put in writing. So confidently wrong.
This is your response to HR op.
"Yes whilst managers put policies into operation, those policies cannot be in breach of my statutory rights. It is illegal to repeatedly deny my leave requests to the extent that I cannot take the statutory amount of holiday I am entitled to in the holiday year. ACAS have confirmed as such".

Edited

Although I've decided to not take it further this is an absolute brilliant worded email so I'm tempted to send that!

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 20:18

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 06/02/2025 17:12

Join the union. Come April, you can raise the issue that theyve not allowed you to carry forward leave which they would not permit you to take in previous leave year.

If you don't they will continue to get away with it.

Good idea 👍 🤩

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mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 20:20

I can honestly say in all my working career I've never come across this shyte
I've even had a terrible company I worked for with no HR and I vowed to never work for another organization with no HR again....I think I've changed my mind - in this case it doesn't matter 😂

Ohh I really want to send that email now

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 06/02/2025 23:31

mumof2wife · 06/02/2025 20:20

I can honestly say in all my working career I've never come across this shyte
I've even had a terrible company I worked for with no HR and I vowed to never work for another organization with no HR again....I think I've changed my mind - in this case it doesn't matter 😂

Ohh I really want to send that email now

Hang fire... no rush, think about it, don't put yourself in the firing line for now. I suspect WFH means they get away with this more as staff can't get together to sort it out as easily.

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