DH workday annual leave underwent termination balance

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DH underwent a PIP and was told during a PIP review meeting that he had failed the PIP (no review, just told that it was based on feedback from 'stakeholders') and it was being moved to Performance management Panel who would decide the outcome. Yes he can be fired but that is one of the list of different outcomes i.e. no action, extend PIP, first warning, second warning, termination. He was not told he was going to be fired.

However he has logged into workday and it states that the balance has been adjusted- action is called termination adjusted balance. And its dated on the day of PIP review meeting

He has lost his job hasn't he. but why have they not told him formally.

DH thinks it is to frustrate his unfair dismissal claim as there is a 90 day period where you can file the claim.

His usual HR advisor says that they will update re next steps from Performance management panel and they are having a hard time finding two independent members of HR to assess it during the summer holidays i.e. not the usual suspects.

he should continue working in line with PIP objectives in the mean time.

He has an interview with another company tmr.

So have they now clarified that he isn’t fired?

Notice of termination has to be unequivocal and runs from the date he learns of the dismissal. So they can’t backdate it, and it would run from the date that he’s formally told he is being dismissed. That hasn’t happened (yet).

yep. his initial manager and then he kinda restructured everyone so my DH was under someone else and another of his direct reports went under another woman. This was in the new year.

yes they want him to continue working in line with his PIP objectives and they told him they are still looking for someone to review his case.

dunno why they are telling him such things.

They want him to work in line with his PIP objectives that he allegely failed.

his manager's manager.

HR is now saying now that they can't find people to assess his case- when you fail a PIP it gets escalated to a panel and he should work in line with PIP objectives in the meantime.

Is it a mistake then?

After the meeting there would have been another meeting, possibly multiple meetings, without your husband. These would have been with HR, his managers and anyone else with a say in the matter.

At some point, it is likely that the decision was made to terminate his employment. Now the decision is made everybody jumps into action to notify your husband and update any systems such as Workday.

Unfortunately, they’ve got the timing wrong and updated the system before he was notified.

Either way, his termination date should be the date he is notified and not before.

It’s a really shitty situation. Can he speak to anyone?

i don't know if you saw my update.

HR are now claiming they haven't found anyone to assess his case due to summer holidays and he should continue working in line with his PIP objectives. Once they have found someone they would inform him on next steps.

So they have decided to terminate him and yet they are going on with the charade of searching for people to assess his case before a panel?

yes he questioned this but didn't get an answer. Just the process is pending.

The framework does state this- when you fail a PIP it does go to a panel and the panel decides.

If they wanted to dismiss him without a PIP (which they can), it would have gone down another route. but since they picked the PIP route, it should go to panel if they follow the chart and the panel decides- there are different timelines including immediate dismissal but the suggested time frames are 6 weeks (rapid errors) to 20 weeks (PIP, then first warning, second warning, final warning etc).

How do you know they’ve decided to terminate?? They haven’t assessed the case yet!

Why the termination proration then

Proration?

Surely he’ll know if the HR person is lying or not. Did his status mention termination before? Surely this isn’t the only time he’s ever logged in?

This is your leave balance.. it's rhe same for my leave balance too, it gets manually adjusted every year. I don't check my leave days unless I want to apply for leave

So his leave days got adjusted and the action was called 'termination adjustment '.

Number of accrued leave days getting adjusted.

Action is called termination proration

Oof my partner's bank uses workday too for holiday and says that must be a mistake. You would only use that code for an immediate termination.

And it can't be an immediate termination cos he is still there and working...

There’s something really fishy going on, are you sure your DH is being honest with you.

They tell him this is what everyone is seeing in the leave system

Tbh in his firm there was a similar incident where in his workday he was given a more junior title in his workday. Think senior analyst. He asked about it and asked whether pay conditions, job title had changed.

They said that it was the same for everyone and everyone had a corporate title (in workday) which was vastly different from the actual title in their job contract.

His pay conditions title were not changed.

He needs to sort this out himself. If he’s holding a senior position in a bank I’m sure he can figure out a way to clarify what is going on.