DH workday annual leave underwent termination balance

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DH underwent a PIP and was told during a PIP review meeting that he had failed the PIP (no review, just told that it was based on feedback from 'stakeholders') and it was being moved to Performance management Panel who would decide the outcome. Yes he can be fired but that is one of the list of different outcomes i.e. no action, extend PIP, first warning, second warning, termination. He was not told he was going to be fired.

However he has logged into workday and it states that the balance has been adjusted- action is called termination adjusted balance. And its dated on the day of PIP review meeting

He has lost his job hasn't he. but why have they not told him formally.

DH thinks it is to frustrate his unfair dismissal claim as there is a 90 day period where you can file the claim.

If he's only been there 9 months, he may still be in a probationary period. Was his probation extended due to performance issues?

Generally contacts give employers more leeway to fire employees during the probation period if their performance isn't up to scratch.

there isnt a probation period

So is he currently working for free then, if the computer system says he no longer works there or is he working his notice period? I'd be concerned, if they've cocked up about informing him he's fired, that he's not going to be paid for anything more that he does. It sounds a shambles and that they definitely want him gone so if it was me I'd be forgetting all about covering a senior staff members work and deadlines etc and putting all my efforts into finding a new job ASAP. He's failed a PIP so he's not getting a good reference anyway regardless of what he does now. If there's nobody senior who he can query what's going on with and he's just been paid upto date or is about to be, I think I'd not be showing up for work any more once the money hits the bank.

Who knows. None of us work there. But realistically it sounds unlikely that he's keeping his job and even if HR have cocked up and updated it early it's not going to save his job so he needs to start looking elsewhere pretty quick. He also needs to speak to his manager and find out what's happening because my employer uses Workday reporting to calculate payroll and if you're marked as terminated you aren't getting paid for work after that date so he should get on that pretty damn quickly.

his access cards all work! He still has work laptop.

So has he contacted anyone at work to tell them there appears to be a discrepancy on the system?

Is he planning on bringing this up with anyone, or is he just going to continue going into work and wait and see if someone asks him what he’s doing there? .

I’m confused… you think they’ve sacked him but haven’t bothered telling him and are still letting him come to work and are presumably paying him?

he just found out 1 hour ago and only cos he checked his leave balance.

there is a notice period. if they sacked him last week, we are still well within his notice period.

But he’d work his notice period from the time he was told about the dismissal.

How is it he is good enough to do his manager's work but failed a performance review?

the long and short is they are probably passing his job to his manager who is VP level but kinda lost her own work. She was announced to have a similar job title to him in January.

Honestly he does it cos the team is small, the overall manager basically got rid of most people including the contract staff.

Those are likely to be dealt with separately by a different department to the "hiring and firing" one. There'll be an email in someone's inbox saying to deactivate his things and that department will get round to actioning that but it could be ages if they're busy with a backlog.

What companies should do regards paying you and what some of them actually do can be two different things. If he's marked as not working there I'd be wary of providing any more work. Sure, he can take it to tribunal for unlawful deduction of earnings, but nobody needs the stress, hassle, initial expense, lost time etc of it. It's quite possible it's deliberate and they're using him as holiday cover then will act surprised he didn't leave and shrug and not pay him. Some companies are shady AF.

its a bank.

Honestly it will just be either a mistake or they haven’t told him yet/HR have jumped the gun. There is no malicious tactic from them to thwart an unfair dismissal claim because after 9 months unless he can prove it is due to a protected characteristic, he hasn’t got an unfair dismissal claim to make.

If I was your husband, I'd be seeking clarification/confirmation from HR about termination of employment. If it's definitely terminated then he needs to be out of the door not helping out for free

Dh says the hr advisor at his firm says

It's not registered in workday any differently for other people

He asked why does his balance look like that, is he terminated.

They say its like that for everyone including the hr advisor herself. Usual hr people he talks to are OOO.

With less than two years employment they can get rid of you for any reason as long as it isn’t a protected characteristic. If he is on a PIP then they are demonstrating that it is a performance issue that he has not adequately addressed.

He is better off putting his energy in to urgently seeking another job now. They might even do him a good reference to get rid of him easily.

And?