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Changing AL from days to hours

31 replies

MinnieMountain · 17/07/2024 22:11

We’ve just got a new HR system at work to book annual leave etc. It shows our entitlement in hours rather than days as per the old system (and my contract).

Can this be done without consultation?

I work part time if that makes a difference.

OP posts:
whoscoatsthatjacket2012 · 17/07/2024 22:12

Mine has always been in hours since being PT it's much easier

itsalwaysthesame · 17/07/2024 22:13

Yes it can as my company did the same recently, actually find it easier than the old system and you should have an annual leave calculator that works it all out for you (if not it's a bit of a pain), I'm part time term time

Doggymummar · 17/07/2024 22:14

I don't know, but it's a better system. No need to book a half day for a doctor's appointment etc just the time it takes.

SaltyGod · 17/07/2024 22:14

This isn’t uncommon. The change shouldn’t result in any more or less holiday than before. Rather than use 1day you’d use 8hrs, or whatever was relevant to you.

Do you think you have less holiday or are disadvantaged as a result?

Sometimes people find flaws in new systems, so if you think you’re losing holiday it would be worth speaking to HR.

missshilling · 17/07/2024 22:15

I had a similar change a few years ago. There was no consultation.

dudsville · 17/07/2024 22:15

We went to this years ago. It's the same amount of time, but more exact. It's easier to take parts of a day when needed.

SouthgatesWaistcoat · 17/07/2024 22:15

Yes it can

You have the same amount of leave, just expressed in a different way - hours instead of days.

So there's no change to your terms and conditions- so no requirement to consult.

Many companies do give holiday entitlements in hours - as it's easier to calculate and use holiday in this way eg people who work part time, compressed hours etc. or who only want to take part of a day off.

Why would you expect consultation- what's the issue? .

FitAt50 · 17/07/2024 22:16

Surely it's the same amount of time and therefore makes no difference apart from it's easier to take half days etc.

TheShiningCarpet · 17/07/2024 22:16

It will not change the amount of leave you are entitled to and may work out to be better for you in terms of flexibility etc

this isn’t the kind of immaterial change that staff would be consulted on

swapcicles · 17/07/2024 22:16

It doesn't change the amount though, I find hours easier especially if you have different hours on different days, if you're picky you can end up with more days off.
A previous employer did this but it was worked out against the hours you did, not what you were contracted for, they kept adding hours here and there as I did so much overtime!

Ponderingwindow · 17/07/2024 22:18

Ours has always been hours and it is far superior, especially if you are part-time.

  1. we are allowed to take leave in increments as small as 30 minutes so we don’t have to use more than necessary
  2. if you are part-time and have flexible working, it is fantastic because you can sometimes schedule things so that you need to use very few actual leave hours to cover a short holiday and still meet your hours quota.
ours is also accrued against actual hours work, so if as a part-timer I work extra hours, I get extra hours of leave added to my bank.
cloudy477654 · 17/07/2024 22:26

I had this when PT, I found it a bit of a faff because I always took full/half days so had to convert it to days myself. I made an excel spreadsheet for myself to work it all out so it was easier to keep track!

JamMakingWannaBe · 17/07/2024 22:28

Agree with the PP who've said that hours are better than full/half days. I can take an hour for an appointment rather than having to take a half day.

FrangipaniBlue · 17/07/2024 22:28

Why on earth would they need to consult with you? Confused

LashingsOfLemonCurd · 17/07/2024 22:30

Of course - as long as it coverts to the correct number of hours, it's just a different (and more flexible) way of showing the same thing.

Don't understand why you think it could be a problem?

OMGitsnotgood · 17/07/2024 22:32

Part time AL was always in hours where I worked. Full time was in days but I can see the advantages of their AL being in hours too. What are your concerns?

RidingMyBike · 17/07/2024 22:36

What's the problem, it's the same amount of leave as before so no need to consult as terms and conditions remain the same?

Leave in hours is so much more flexible - I can book an hour's leave to attend a school assembly instead of having to use up a half day of leave for instance!

ileftmypotatointheovenallnight · 17/07/2024 22:38

I used to get quite confused with the system as you'd end up with random things like 12.7 hours.

Twinklydreamer22 · 17/07/2024 22:42

All they have done it change the 'units of measurement' if that makes any sense however your entitlement will remain the same. For example a day's annual leave is equal to how many hours you would typically work per day eg 7.5 hours. Therefore is your usual entitlement is 20 days annual leave then your hours would be 150 hours. Most work places now give hours rather than days.

NewName24 · 17/07/2024 22:46

SouthgatesWaistcoat · 17/07/2024 22:15

Yes it can

You have the same amount of leave, just expressed in a different way - hours instead of days.

So there's no change to your terms and conditions- so no requirement to consult.

Many companies do give holiday entitlements in hours - as it's easier to calculate and use holiday in this way eg people who work part time, compressed hours etc. or who only want to take part of a day off.

Why would you expect consultation- what's the issue? .

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Portfun24 · 17/07/2024 22:49

Ours changed to this last year and it's much better.

SausageinaBun · 17/07/2024 22:52

We have it in days and I take a day off, irrespective of whether I'm taking my shortest day of 4.5 hours or my longest day of 8 hours. So I could take the piss and only take long days off. For those PT staff who do take the piss, a change to hours would be detrimental.

I can see why you might want yo be consulted if that's what you've been doing, but I'd take it as a bonus that you've got away with it so far.

Kinneddar · 17/07/2024 22:53

Ours changed a few years ago & we lost out. We work an average 9 hour shift so a day off was one days annual leave. Now that it's hours, the powers that be say a working day is 7 hours so to take a day's leave you need more than a day's leave. As usual shift workers are never taken into consideration when there's changes made

TheBossOfMe · 17/07/2024 22:54

We just went through this change, albeit with employee input before we did it. Feedback was overwhelmingly in favour - especially from working mothers. They loved having the ability to book 3 hours out Vs a whole day so they could go to events that don’t need a whole day OOO. I didn’t get a vote but absolutely agree.

TeenLifeMum · 17/07/2024 22:54

So much easier in hours. No consultation needed as your pro rata leave will be the same. Why aren’t you happy?

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