How do I say this to employer?

[melfleur]

Hi all.

Going through a divorce. Husband left so I'm solely and fully responsible for young DC.

At the moment, I'm a contractor so only get paid for allocated hours.

I'd like to ask my line manager to hopefully change my contract into salaried because of the reason above and I've also really enjoyed the job thus far - just over a year. Myself and colleague have been nominated to receive an award by a national sector body for the massive difference we've made on a particular project. This may add some weight or so I'm hoping.

Could someone please help me word a 'convincing' email to my line manager. I've also asked last year and was informed that she'd have a chat with her superior and get back to me. As colleagues note/complain, communication isn't her strongest point so I've not heard back.

I'm desperate for job security now!

you will have to accept a significant reduction in your salary

Job and income security are so necessary for me and DC at present. I could always work my way up or undertake relevant training for a promotion/higher role later on.

i wouldn’t be asking to go permanent without knowing the salary. i think you will be very disappointed

I roughly know what it would be - lower than my current but confident it would be sufficient for me and DC.

personally i’d ask for a chat first to see if a possibility

Dear Jane -

I’ve been reflecting on the last year and how much we have achieved as a team (including the XX award nomination) and I’m really keen to continue working with you moving forward.

I would like to explore options to become a permanent employee, recognising our 2 way commitment and would welcome a conversation with you/superiors to discuss as soon as possible.

Kind regards etc.

You may be able to add more benefits to the firm of having you there for the long term.

Chase her up in a fortnight and if she still doesn’t respond, copy it to the superior.

You say you're a contractor at the moment. How are you engaged? Inside or outside of IR35?

As an aside, your husband has left you. He should not be allowed to leave his children. You need downtime too.

Thank you so much for this. 💐

Not working as a limited company if this is what you meant.

He made it clear that he wants nothing to do with DC.
He has also stopped paying Child maintenance. Next step is to request CMS to take payment directly from his wage. But, I'm certain he will quit his job.

Do you think asking for a quick chat on Teams would be more suitable than emailing?

I think the suggested email is friendly and inviting and you could perhaps include welcoming a Teams to discuss it further at the end. Given the way your manager is, from your first post, I’d send the email

In the first instance, if you referred to my managers as "superiors", then you would piss me right off. If you then went over my head to them you'd probably not be working for me much longer.

There is absolutely no benefit to me or the company in taking you on as an employee, so if you want to see whether this is possible then I would expect a face to face discussion where you highlight the benefits we would get from such an arrangement and why the current arrangement doesn't work for us as well. You have, after all, actually had the answer to this query once - no response means no, because if it was yes they'd have told you so. This is a marketing job, therefore - you need to sell the arrangement to me convincingly (and not royally annoy me whilst trying to do so).

She’d put the name of the superior, not “superior”.

Do you invoice and pay your own tax/NI? Do you meet the HMRC definition of self-employed (there’s an online quiz).

There is absolutely no benefit to me or the company in taking you on as an employee,

how do you know this?

The chat you have needs to be totally devoid of any mention of your personal circumstances, divorce and the needs of your child. These things are not your employer's problem.

Your employer's priority is how to retain quality high-performing staff and to maintain and grow their reputation in order to bring in new business and make more profit.

The most reference you can give to your personal circumstances is to say that you are looking to move away from contract work and will be seeking a permanent contract in future so if they want to retain your services they will need to create an appropriate position for you. You need to back that up by taking positive action to find appropriate jobs so you can let them know that if they want you they have to take action to keep you.

Asking them to do this as a favour will get you nowhere. Telling them they have to do it or they will lose you to thr competition is what carries weight.

It's simple - if there were, then I would have employed an employee; and if that position had changed in the last year I would have agreed when first asked.

At the moment I have a worker who will never gain employment protection, will never qualify for redundancy pay, who I only pay for the actual houtrs that I need them, and who I can "terminate" simply by not having any hours to offer them. They would like me to employ them for a fixed number of hours every week whether I want them working or not, pay sick pay, holiday pay, gain employment rights, rdeundancy pay, etc etc. Come on - tell me that any employer isn't going to see the attractions of the former and not the latter. So I know this, and need convincing that the obvious facts here aren't to my benefit after all.

@Neriah it happens regularly

contractor comes on and then if a successful job… either employer or employer suggests permanent. I from the employed perspective much lower pay … 🤷‍♀️

It might where you work. I have never known it to happen anywhere I have. So "regularly" is a matter of perspective. It rarely costs less for an employer - the employee may get less pay in their pocket, but the employer gets a lot more outgoings and commitments. It is not a cost-saving exercise for the employer. The only real benefit is if they really want to retain someones services.

@Neriah

to quote youThere is absolutely no benefit to me or the company in taking you on as an employee,

you believe there is absolutely no benefit?

You can’t think of a single one?

@ion08 I would suggest that you look up the meaning of nuance. I did not say there was no benefit. If you read ALL of what I say, I made it clear that simply asking me to make a contractor into an employee shows me no benefit at all - employers do not care about your personal wants and desires. They do things because it benefits them. I have made myself clear - just as I did in the other thread where you said (incorrectly) that notice periods for employers and employees must be equal. Employers do things for their own benefit. Always. If the OP wants the employer to change an arrangement that is beneficial to them, then they must demonstrate why it will benefit the employer - especially since, when you add the costs of employment together, they are often higher than those of a contractor - especially if (as in this case) the contractor is only paid for the actual hours required by the employer.

It's very basic, if I need someone 10 hours this week, 35 next week, none the week after, 20 the weeks after that, why would I want to pay them for 37 EVERY week, plus add on the cost of Employers national insurance, sick pay, (potentially) maternity pay, pension, and when they get to 2 years, reduancy pay and the risk of an unfair dismissal claim? This is very simple maths for an employer.

I would suggest that you look up the meaning of nuance

oh the irony 😂

Oh the lack of any comprehension. I'll engage in further debate with you when you get a grasp of employment law.