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Asked about salary negotiation and they both

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 12:33

Wrote on their bits of paper - either initials or a mark. Was that some kind of downgrade?

They said no, there's no room for negotiation whatsoever.

I always end up with lower paid jobs!

They mentioned things about staying late because of back logs and large work loads. No mention of extra payment or time off in lieu. I don't work for free.

Do any of you do this without being compensated in some way?
If this was said at an interview and you aren't a highly paid executive, would you see this as a red flag? Overworked, underpaid perhaps?

Almost reluctantly and dismissively, it was mentioned that you can work from home a couple of days a week, apparently nobody does and everyone comes in. I would want to do work from home 2 days a week for sure!

Would you think this person would be a micro-manager type?

Would you withdraw and keep looking or would you still hope to be the chosen one?!

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theduchessofspork · 08/10/2023 12:34

It doesn’t sound like it’s the job for you

TeaMistress · 08/10/2023 12:37

Some red flags here. I would definitely be giving them a miss. No wiggle room on salary but mention of having to work extra hours. Massive workload. No scope for flexibility or remote working. Keep looking OP. This isn't a job you want...

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 12:50

Yes this is what my gut is screaming!

Im so curious what the mark on their bits of paper was when I mentioned salary negotiation - any clues? 🥴😂

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Toddler101 · 08/10/2023 12:53

Agree it doesn't sound the job for you.

You want to work hybrid and be compensated for your full workload but their culture is to be overworked work on site.

Katrinawaves · 08/10/2023 12:57

opstopop · 08/10/2023 12:50

Yes this is what my gut is screaming!

Im so curious what the mark on their bits of paper was when I mentioned salary negotiation - any clues? 🥴😂

Well if you are in the running for the role, I would say they have made a note to themselves not to go in at the top of the pay scale for the role with you as you have already told them you will want to haggle the salary upwards. I’d have kept my powder dry at interview stage and just negotiated when I got the offer to be honest! What did you gain by giving them a heads up that you wouldn’t take the first number?

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 12:58

I need a line of work. That's why I can never find decent jobs.

They were almost affronted when I asked about salary negotiation!

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:01

@Katrinawaves I'm a pure amateur, hence the reason I alway end up with shit jobs!

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:03

I think I need to be taken by the hand and guided through some kind of career path. I'm absolutely clueless tbh.

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user1846385927482658 · 08/10/2023 13:03

Were there actually any numbers on the table that you were asking to negotiate?

Or did you literally just ask if you could negotiate if/when they made an offer? Because if so I agree with pp, don't do that in future. It's an odd/slightly antagonistic thing to say before you even know what's being offered.

Overthebow · 08/10/2023 13:03

What’s the advertised salary? I do extra if it’s busy but my job is relatively well paid at £65k, I wouldn’t do extra if being paid £25k for example.

Oldthyme · 08/10/2023 13:05

Tell us more about your strengths and work anmbitions and some of us might sew a seed of thought, bit of a plan, to get you up the ladder.

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:07

It said £27 on the advert

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Invisimamma · 08/10/2023 13:07

I wouldn't mention salary at interview, unless they ask your expectations.

Once offered the job you can say something like 'I'm really keen to accept and join the company put the salary offered is less that I was expecting, ideally I would be looking for £xxx' and then pitch is slightly higher than you need so that they can negotiate down slightly.

Saying that in some roles they have no room for negotiation because salary scales and budgets are fixed.

The overtime etc is massive red flag though.

Iop · 08/10/2023 13:07

Is it NHS? Non-negotiable salary and lots of unpaid overtime is par for the course if so, OP.

jenpil · 08/10/2023 13:12

I think the 2 interviewers, mentioning that there could be back logs of work and you'd need to stay on, are just letting you know the tip of the iceberg.

They won't tell you the whole truth.

It sounds like it could be a nightmare, and you'd be made to feel bad and stigmatised by the whole office if you left before 8pm everyday!

And of course, you COULD work 2 days a week from home, but no-one does?! Why is that?! Is everyone too scared to do so?

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:17

@Oldthyme Oh that's so nice.

Did a degree in English donkey's years ago, and tried to find a career path in TV. It went well at first, then personal circumstances ruined it all. I am better at humanities type subjects. No good a Maths etc.

I don't even really know what my strengths are anymore. I was good a sales!

Im am an architect personality INTJ apparently. I looked at jobs that suit and it mentioned consultant, business strategy etc.

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:21

@Invisimamma thank you so much. I love it when you guys word things. I'm keeping this for future reference.

It teaches me to try and copy all the successful mumsnetters who inspire me! I thought that when they spoke about salary negotiation it was at interview.

Cringe, if this is seen as antagonistic! I'm just trying to improve my future prospects!

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:22

@iop not NHS but a social type role

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:25

@jenpil EXACTLY! I think too frightened to.

Shamed for going on time - just urgh!

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BlueSky2023 · 08/10/2023 13:31

The staying late because of backlogs ( no extra pay) would be a red flag for me, if you accept the job you accept that as it was said in the interview, and it could become a regular thing
I would give it a miss if you have other options

UnexpectedCircumstances · 08/10/2023 13:32

Not sure about public sector processes, but in the private sector I'd never dream of trying to negotiate the salary until after I'd been offered the job! I'd also consider it a bit naive and a faux pas if anybody I was interviewing did.

You don't have any power until you know you are the chosen one.

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:35

Lol I'm cringing! Maybe the mark on the paper was a great big cross.

Thanks for letting me know everyone - won't be doing that again!

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opstopop · 08/10/2023 13:37

@BlueSky2023 yes it will just be another crap job. Good that I made my salary error in this interview.

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TotalOverhaul · 08/10/2023 13:41

opstopop · 08/10/2023 12:58

I need a line of work. That's why I can never find decent jobs.

They were almost affronted when I asked about salary negotiation!

I think asking about salary in the interview is a bad move. You want to come over in interview as someone who is fully committed to nothing except doing a perfect job and improving their company performance with your expertise and attitude. Then when they want you - at negotiation stage - you explain you can't work for less than X. Asking about money in an interview sounds like you care more about what you get out of the deal than what you put in. It's all gameplay.

TotalOverhaul · 08/10/2023 13:42

But always ring up if no salary is mentioned in the ad and ask what the salary range is.

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