Working part time - holidays?

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How do you calculate holidays when you work part time with regards to bank holidays?

I have been offered a 4 day week and was advised ‘oh don’t work Mondays then you only miss a one bank holiday’. I don’t get it… surely if you don’t work Mondays then you miss them anyway?

You will be entitled to 4/5 of the annual leave of a full time worker. So if everybody else gets, say, 22 days plus 8BH then you get 4/5 of 30 = 24 days.

They will then look to see which BHs fall on your working days and you will be required to use leave for those days. So say they find 4 or the BH are days you are due to work, then you can take 20 days as you wish and the other 4 days will be used for BHs.

It works out well for you. You end up basically being able to take your bank holidays whenever you want

Good employers prorate the bank holidays so if you work 80% of the working week you get 80% of bank holidays as leave, most now add the bank holiday days to annual leave eg 25 days plus 8 bank holidays then those who are pt get a percentage of that so 26.5 days overall for someone working 80%

It should be all employers because that is the law.

If you work 4 days you get ⅘ of full time leave including ⅘ of the bank holidays. If you work a Monday you need to use your leave to cover bank holiday and a higher proportion of them fall on a Monday leaving you with fewer days to take as you choose.

If you dont work on a monday you get the same amount of leave but more choice of when to take it as not as much is 'eaten up' by the bank holiday Mondays

That's not good employers, that is the law! P/t are allowed exactly the same as all the other workers but pro rata.
I work p/t 7/10 and mondays .
I get 27 annual leave +8 bh which is 35
35 x 70% = 24.5 days
I then have to work out how many bh fall on my working days , Next year it is 5bh that fall on my working days, so i deduct 5 from my holiday and am left with 19.5 to take for normal annual leave
I lose out because i am only entitled to 7/10 of a bh so in effect have to pay 3/10 of a day when bh fall on my working days, because i work mondays that is most bh.

So - please bear with me I am hopeless working these things out - if I don’t work Mondays it doesn’t make any difference to me and my AL days as I’m not working anyway (so I don’t technically ‘get’ the majority of the bank holidays anyway as most are in Mondays)?

So they have calculated my full ‘working days’ in the year as 52x4 but in reality the whole working year is (52x5)-8 (then divide by 5 then times 4)?

I said I was useless at working these things out!

No, not working Mondays benefits you. You'll have a pro rata amount of leave, this needs to be taken for annual leave and bank holidays. If you work Mondays, you'll "lose" at least 4 days a year to bank holidays. If you don't work them, the pro rata amount will be added to your leave to take when you want.

I need a diagram…

There's a calculator on the .Gov site

www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement

Take the amount of holiday full time staff get including bank holidays. Work out 80% of that. That is what you are entitled to. Any bank holidays that fall on one of your working days come out of that.

What do full time staff get?

If its 28 days (inclusive of bank holidays) you'd get ⅘ of that:

28 x 4 ÷ 5 = 22.4 days holiday

And bank holidays do matter if you work a Monday as any Monday bank holidays would be deducted from the 22.4 days leaving you with fewer days of your choice.

If you don't work a Monday then you only need to deduct the bank holidays that don't fall on a Monday

You still havent said what leave full time workers get. You get ⅘ of whatever they get and then minus any bank holidays that fall on your working days.

Not sure if this applies but also if you're part time for childcare reasons and use a nursery, they often charge for bank holidays but don't open (well, they round their fees across the year rather than charge per day attended). Therefore you end up paying for more days that you can't use if you work a Monday than any other weekday.

I'm still trying to get my Manager to look into holiday entitlement. I job share with a colleague, she works 2.5 days, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday morning. I work 2.5 days Wednesday afternoon, Thursday, Friday.

My full time colleague working 5 days a week gets 20 days holiday, 8 days bank holiday total 28 days. You'd think we'd get half of that but no. My job share colleague has booked 15 days holiday and had 8 days bank holiday this year. I've taken 13 days holiday and one Bank holiday, Good Friday.

This dispute I've raised has been going on for a couple of years and my colleague has benefited massively.

@TroysMammy you are both entitled to 14 days holiday. Any bank holidays on your working days would be deducted from the 14 days leaving you with the rest to choose yourself.

I don't know why your colleague has ended up with more holidays than they are entitled to but yours seems correct

Agree with @dementedpixie You appear to be getting the correct amount of holiday. However, if your colleague is getting all that as paid holiday, she is getting way more than she should. Of course, if she is taking some of it as unpaid leave, that is another matter.

It's paid. I think @dementedpixie replied to me on previous posts about this, I can't believe it has dragged on for so long. I wrote to my Manager asking for a meeting to discuss and have been told when they've looked into it then I will get a meeting. I'm not confident but I suppose the next step will be a formal grievance.

I’ll have a go at another explanation, rather than a diagram

Bank holidays are pro rated. You get 4/5 of a bank holiday as your bank holiday leave, and the other 1/5 comes out of your normal holiday allowance.

in practice your employer:

• adds the bank holidays to the paid annual leave to get the total number of paid days off you’d get if you were full time
• divides that total by your working pattern (in your case 80%)
• deducts any bank holidays that fall on your working days from that
• you get the balance as paid leave you can take when you want

Let’s assume annual leave entitlement if you’re full time is 20 days + 8 days bank holiday = 28 days total

You are entitled to 4/5th or 80% of that = 22.4 days (your employer may round this up to 25, but they don’t have to).

In 2024 there are 8 bank holidays . 5 fall on a Monday. 1 falls on a Friday

If you don’t normally work Mondays, only 3 bank holidays fall on your working days. They deduct those 3 days from your 22.4 days total pro rated paid leave. You are left with 19.4 days to take when you like.

If you don’t normally work Fridays, 7 bank holidays fall on your working days. They deduct those 7 days from your 22.4 days total pro rated paid leave. You are left with 15.4 days to take when you like.

In both scenarios you get the same total number of days off. But if you don’t work Mondays you get more choice of when you take them.

You are only entitled to 4/5 of bank holidays because you only work 4/5 of the time.

Most bank holidays are on a Monday.

If your workplace closes for bank holidays then you are forced to take bank holidays off.

BUT you are only entitled to 4/5 of them.

So you end up owing them some back out of your leave.

Whereas if you don't work the Monday, they owe you 4/5 of bank holidays, which works out as you getting extra days of leave.

Haha thank you.

I can build websites in code but working out holidays…🤣

How much holiday do full timers get

30 and everyone gets 4 days closure (not pro rata).

Part time Bank holidays for those that do / do not work a Monday needs calculating. Plus then the calculation may need adjusting if another bank holiday is added in, eg for queens funeral, and then kings coronation.

Does the 30 days include bh?