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Summertime777 · 04/06/2023 23:39

If you work in HR, do you often find yourself having to do things that go against your conscience? I was reading another MN thread where someone who worked in HR talked about having been ordered to find excuses not to pay some workers in circumstances where there was no legitimate reason not to pay them. I wondered how often HR professionals find themselves effectively being ordered by their bosses to do things that they know are wrong. I'm not talking about things that fall into the "difficult but necessary" category such as redundancies due to a businesses downturn. I'm talking about stuff that really isn't defensible, but the order has come from someone senior to you who could push you out of your job if they so choose. My reason for asking is that I'm trying to give good advice to a DC who has recently finished university and thinking about career options. Obviously it's his life and his choice, but he does ask my opinion on stuff like this, and I'd like to give good advice rather than duff advice! Interested in any experiences!

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Premiumbondbaby · 11/06/2023 15:56

DojaPhat · 11/06/2023 01:05

Does the idea of wrangling with these types of dilemmas fill your son with dread or curiosity? If the former then it's not for him because although not having to avoid ethical landmines everyday - there will be a lot of uncomfortable discussions to be had. In the main HR is rarely thrilling to the extent you'll often need battle your conscience. I haven't come across anyone who actively pursued it as a 'career' so to speak. If your son fits into the latter camp then advise him to get into law - pending practice area. Because at least there he can earn decent money for all the potential wrangling through dilemmas, ethical or otherwise.

@DojaPhat I pursued it as a career as have many of my colleagues. It would come as a shock to many Chartered members of CIPD it’s not considered a career.

TheBigApple · 11/06/2023 16:46

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 11/06/2023 06:26

It all depends on the company culture at the end of the day. Picking who to work for is key. Some companies are cut throat. Also some do not value HR and hire in unqualified staff.

I was in HR for many years and was never asked to do anything I felt would be 'wrong'. You did get some managers who would suggest courses of action that went against employment law, however it was my job to point that out and find a different way of handling the situation.

Good HR will focus on employee health and wellbeing as part of their function.

All this 'HR is not there to support you / HR is not your friend', they are there to help support employees but that doesn't always mean the result is the one the employee wants. As PP said, in a 'he said, she said' case, you can't discipline someone without evidence. Bullies at work are like those at school, hardly likely to do it when others are around so you have no evidence. This leads the employee to often get angry at HR.

This. Employees often forget its the company leaders who make commercial decisions and the role of HR to support with the least risk to the business. Good HR colleagues will try to work in a caring and compassionate way but often in these instances, employees often blame HR instead of looking further up the line.

In all companies there are good employees and some less so. This applies in HR too. Some of the best and worst managers I have had, have been while I worked HR. Some were truly inspirational. But some were shockingly awful and operating at the highest level. In HR we can be an easy target and can also be bullied too.

I've found the hardest thing about working in HR is not having to support unethical decisions but finding an employer with the right mix of culture, benefits and commerciality for me to do my job well.

DojaPhat · 11/06/2023 17:02

@Premiumbondbaby It would have been a bit too easy for you to consider first asking what I meant by that statement, but tis the nature of online discourse, I suppose.

Premiumbondbaby · 11/06/2023 17:21

@DojaPhat happy to hear your explanation of what you meant.

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