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Enforced resignation

54 replies

Hatemylife2023 · 25/04/2023 16:02

Hi,

Just wonder if anyone has been in a situation maybe with somewhere like the NHS where they don’t advise you to hand in notice until you’ve a firm unconditional offer.

Fortunately I’m only on a week’s notice and then could be out so I accept this isn’t so problematic.

Before I could ask what type of reference if any basically a reference request received simply got me a ‘strong armed’ conversation of you must be leaving which I rebuffed for now saying well I may not get references which satisfy having a unconditional offer, I’m going nowhere in refusing to give notice yet.

I’m just wondering if things can get really bad, my 1 to 1 that was due has been cancelled as if avoiding me more is the way to go. The reference from current employer has had to go to HR I just think not giving into their demands wholly means I get to at least control the reference situation. My family are of the opinion that I just give up current job as soon as with the correct notice and that I will manage through but really the thing bothering me is I leave and HR even more so don’t release a reference. Also I was mindful the company were on about deductions this month from my wage as they messed up their sickness policies when I was first off sick so I didn’t really want to have that fight on the outside either, I actually felt inclined to help the manager should it be their fault but after yesterday’s conversation I’m still in shock how’s it all been handled but I shouldn’t be surprised as they got a whole new team in just before I returned.

OP posts:
somuchtolearnabout · 26/04/2023 05:04

Are you drunk?

pinkfondu · 26/04/2023 05:12

How are you making less sense? Please do not work for the NHS

MichelleScarn · 26/04/2023 05:19

If you're expecting people to know the background to all of this could you link you're previous threads? I think you're getting a bit frustrated that posters don't know your history?

MichelleScarn · 26/04/2023 05:19

Your previous threads!

autienotnaught · 26/04/2023 05:25

Ok so usually there's an option for references to be contacted after job offer. Which sounds like what happened here. You have been offered job and assuming references are ok you will get the job. If employer doesn't fulfil reference is there a colleague you could ask? You shouldn't have to leave until you have a start date. However I understand it's difficult if they are making things a hard for you. I would try to stay in job and hopefully it will only be a few weeks.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 26/04/2023 05:40

OP, there is a problem with your written communication being very unclear and difficult to understand. That is making it very difficult for people to help you, I'm afraid.

Cc1998 · 26/04/2023 06:06

OP has been vague and then rude. I'm sorry they bothered posting as well!

GoodChat · 26/04/2023 06:22

OP your last post makes no sense. Did you sleep with your manager at the Christmas party?

If they're ignoring you, that makes remote working easier. Just keep doing your job as you were before. Don't worry about what anyone else is doing.

Good luck with the job.

Meadowfly · 26/04/2023 06:35

Um. If your communication with your employer is in anyway similar to how you are communicating on here I can see there might be an issue. You are assuming that people know the context of your posts and what’s been going on in your life, it sounds very stressful and you seem, understandably, tired and emotional. I think you need to try to organise your thoughts and separate the facts / legal situation from the other stuff. As a pp said a bullet point timeline of events (briefly explained) would help you organise your thoughts.

Bearpawk · 26/04/2023 06:50

Op is English your first language?
I'm afraid I can't decipher any of your posts. I'm. HR professional and would be able to help but - could you lay out your questions in bullet points perhaps ?

Bearpawk · 26/04/2023 06:50

*I'm a HR professional that should read

Bearpawk · 26/04/2023 06:51

How long have you worked there ?

greyhairnomore · 26/04/2023 07:29

Hatemylife2023 · 26/04/2023 00:03

Don’t worry I am fully prepared to confront now both the Manager and HR and or payroll as to who had made mistakes along the way. Again I appreciate this isn’t the fuelled loving relations you have.

I’m sorry I bothered posting. I appreciate Mumsnet is to accept the manager who got leg over and we should bring getting smashed in the face as ok as Christmas do but months later I ask to be left out and I’m prepared to leave the company as much as silly little girls want to be a part of it. Fantasy over for Mumsnet over Britain’s worst delivery company. 9 out of 10 people (two very bright and could have been smart) getting rid of isn’t something to be proud of but I appreciate dumb ignore managers stand together united.

This makes no sense at all.

HoppingPavlova · 26/04/2023 07:48

This makes no sense at all.

Except being sorry about posting, I think there is broad alignment there.

I think someone (OP?) slept with the manager at the Xmas party. Someone got punched in the face but not sure if was to do with sleeping with the manager or not, or whether any of this is related to the spinal injury and whether if so, maybe there is some workers comp aspect?

Seemingly seperate to that, but unsure, the NHS has contacted OP’s current employer to request a reference, current employer is unhappy as they had not been given the heads up. This seems to be a fault with NHS process. Although, potentially, the current employer may be thinking this is a communication issue as there may be history in this regard?

lemonyfox · 26/04/2023 08:08

You're joining the NHS and they have contacted your current employer before they have made an unconditional offer to you? Sounds like someone has made a mistake (either you ticking a box incorrectly or NHS recruitment admin) but it's not the end of the world.

Managers legally can give bad references yea but please bear in mind most/all WILL NOT. Employment rights and legislation are complex machines and most employers wont leave themselves open to risk in doing so.

I'm confused about your manager though. He got his leg over? Does this mean you had sex with him? Who are the silly girls you're referencing? Do you even want to work there anymore, considering how disparaging you're being? If not then what on earth is all the fuss about?

You're not explaining yourself clearly in your posts, respectfully they're all over the place.

AtChoService · 26/04/2023 08:25

Is the Chat gpt? Confused

AtChoService · 26/04/2023 08:25

*This

GoodChat · 26/04/2023 08:27

AtChoService · 26/04/2023 08:25

Is the Chat gpt? Confused

No, ChatGPT tends to make sense but just be generic

JessicaBrassica · 26/04/2023 08:42

I know someone who applied for a job and declined to tell their names referee in advance. The reference request was received. Manager a bit confused but wrote the reference. It wasn't a big issue. Applicant then withdrew... And everything carried on as normal. Still no big drama.

I think I'd be wary of a delayed start date with little employment protection, a manager who wants you out and a very short notice period.

helpmyskinplease · 26/04/2023 08:55

Hatemylife2023 · 26/04/2023 00:03

Don’t worry I am fully prepared to confront now both the Manager and HR and or payroll as to who had made mistakes along the way. Again I appreciate this isn’t the fuelled loving relations you have.

I’m sorry I bothered posting. I appreciate Mumsnet is to accept the manager who got leg over and we should bring getting smashed in the face as ok as Christmas do but months later I ask to be left out and I’m prepared to leave the company as much as silly little girls want to be a part of it. Fantasy over for Mumsnet over Britain’s worst delivery company. 9 out of 10 people (two very bright and could have been smart) getting rid of isn’t something to be proud of but I appreciate dumb ignore managers stand together united.

Eh???

Mycathatesmecuddling · 26/04/2023 09:49

Given a very random post on a thread about how many retail jobs youve worked I can only assume the OP was drunk last night

Skankhunt84 · 26/04/2023 10:27

This makes absolutely no sense.

Quveas · 26/04/2023 12:44

You're joining the NHS and they have contacted your current employer before they have made an unconditional offer to you? Sounds like someone has made a mistake (either you ticking a box incorrectly or NHS recruitment admin) but it's not the end of the world.

That isn't a mistake - you take up references before you make an unconditional offer, not after. What would be the point of taking up references after you have made an unconditional offer? The point of references and other relevant processes is to confirm the offer.

I only read a few of the OP's previous threads about this, but they have a number of issues that any employer will want to look through before confirming an offer. Significant periods of sickness. And the fact that the other "reference" (from a previous employer) appears to no longer exist (company closed down and liquidated).

As far as I can see there has been no mistake at all - a conditional offer has been made (although the OP didn't like the fact that it was "cold" - their word - and not enthusiastic enough) and so they are taking up references and other processes to ensure that the OP is a suitable person to employ. Why do you think there has been a mistake?

Boomboom22 · 26/04/2023 14:14

I've also had a look at previous threads and posts and am now quite confused. Op seems to have a job but not because they have been off sick due to what looks like someone trying to slash their throat? Something about 90% of previous colleagues leaving between this happening at Xmas and her returning to work on a phased return. She won't work weekends so they are pissed off and now a new job has been offered which she needs urgently, as she has to collect a child at lunchtime. She didn't tell them she'd applied for a new job and they have been waiting for her to return hence the reaction she has got. Its not clear if both jobs are nhs or just the new one. Either way I think she's been in this job for nearly a year, maybe with a private social care provider but off sick since Xmas. Then literally within days of a phased return which agrees no weekends this ref request has come in. Now her current work are annoyed she's been doing interviews whilst off sick. Op also feels uncomfortable at work as most previous staff, even ones really good at their job, have now left possibly fired?

Boomboom22 · 26/04/2023 14:16

And she may have verbal aphasia which is why her posts are hard to interpret, and walks with a cane so possible discrimination happening here.

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