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Payment in lieu of notice means no handover, right?

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 19:30

I've just resigned from my work (long story, but basically a toxic environment).

They offered me payment in lieu of notice (PILON) which I took - I don't want to spend another minute in that place so I grabbed it with both hands. I did think it a bit odd they offered it to me as I've been there a while and have a lot of info on projects that I had assumed I was going to hand over during my notice period.

After acknowledging my acceptance of PILON, they then asked me to do a handover. But that's nuts, isn't it? If they want me to do a handover they need to pay me, don't they? They can't say they're doing PILON in one breath then ask me to keep working - can they? And, a handover is work, isn't it.

I want to write back and say "are you fucking kidding me" but suspect I need to be a bit more reserved, really Grin

Can anyone advise? Thanks.

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FindMeInTheSunshine · 22/05/2022 19:34

Did they give you an official last day in writing?

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 19:38

They said it was effective immediately, so that means I've finished working for them - doesn't it?

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Moodycow78 · 22/05/2022 19:40

If you want a reference just do the handover it's not too much to ask, they could withdraw the offer of pilon and ask you to come in.

Myleakycauldron · 22/05/2022 19:40

Correct. Do you need a reference though?

Isaidnoalready · 22/05/2022 19:41

Have you got the money in your bank yet?

donquixotedelamancha · 22/05/2022 19:41

They said it was effective immediately, so that means I've finished working for them - doesn't it?

Essentially yes. What was your last day on the documents? When did they ask you to hand over? Have you been paid?

Marblessolveeverything · 22/05/2022 19:42

In this case I would do a written status report. You don’t have to but whoever is in the role will appreciate it.

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 19:44

Moodycow78 · 22/05/2022 19:40

If you want a reference just do the handover it's not too much to ask, they could withdraw the offer of pilon and ask you to come in.

A handover will take significant time, training staff. They've treated me and others very badly (bullying).

I doubt they're going to give me a reference anyway. (Despite doing the job well).

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 19:45

Isaidnoalready · 22/05/2022 19:41

Have you got the money in your bank yet?

No, not yet. They've not said when they're going to pay it either.

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burnoutbabe · 22/05/2022 19:47

I got pilon in redundancy but I still worked a few more months to handover then paid at the end.

So it's possible to do it that way.

But I was paid for the months I worked s and then notice. And I volunteered to go, wasn't toxic so i was happy.

MadMadMadamMim · 22/05/2022 19:47

I'd be tempted to write back and state As you offered me payment in lieu of notice, I'm afraid I no longer work for you, so this will be difficult. My only suggestion is that you may wish to hire me as a consultant for a day's handover. My daily rate is (ENORMOUS).

😁

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 19:50

donquixotedelamancha · 22/05/2022 19:41

They said it was effective immediately, so that means I've finished working for them - doesn't it?

Essentially yes. What was your last day on the documents? When did they ask you to hand over? Have you been paid?

They offered me PILON earlier in the week. I accepted it on Thursday. Friday they replied, saying they acknowledged I had accepted it and it'd start with immediate effect. And in the very same email they asked if I needed to hand anything over.

I think the person I was speaking to (on behalf of the boss) doesn't really know what I did as she's fairly new. The boss should know I'm involved in lots of projects.

She's asked me to hand over to her but I can't do that as she hasn't got the skills to even understand some of the stuff I'd need not hand over.

They've also cut me out of the systems I would need to train other staff on, so it's not even all possible to hand over.

I think they really don't know what they're doing.

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nomistake · 22/05/2022 19:51

Are you sure they don't just mean a written handover I.e a list of outstanding projects and some processes?

MatureStudentToBeMaybe · 22/05/2022 19:51

Does PILON rather than working notice/gardening leave have implications for pension and other benefits? If you may be out of pocket if they expect you to work after your termination date. There are probably insurance implications for them too.

Mummumtum · 22/05/2022 19:54

I’d just do a list of what you were working on, status & best contact person now you’re gone

JemimaTiggywinkle · 22/05/2022 19:54

My interpretation of handover isn’t “train up replacement staff to do job”. It’s more like a written list of projects, key points, outstanding actions etc.

Of course you could make it as useful or useless as you saw fit…

Chewbecca · 22/05/2022 19:59

I’d do a list of the status of all your projects and where to find stuff / passwords.

NearlyHeadlessNick · 22/05/2022 20:03

In our company, a handover is a note of the current position of each piece of work and the strategy next.
Could you just do a bullet pointed list and email it?

MatureStudentToBeMaybe · 22/05/2022 20:03

It does sound like they mean a written or verbal handover before you leave the building.

mummyh2016 · 22/05/2022 20:10

How long will the handover be? If we're talking a couple of hours I would do it. You've said yourself you weren't expecting to be offered PILON and you've snapped their hand off. If they had considered the handover to start with they may have made you work your notice. I'm presuming you're getting a months pay, would a couple of hours be that bad?

Useranon1 · 22/05/2022 20:25

Agree it sounds different to how you've interpreted it. Do you have any tech to return?

donquixotedelamancha · 22/05/2022 20:29

She's asked me to hand over to her but I can't do that as she hasn't got the skills to even understand some of the stuff I'd need not hand over. They've also cut me out of the systems I would need to train other staff on, so it's not even all possible to hand over.

Like PPs, I think she's just asking, as a formality, for any key information. Just jot down anything that only you know for her to pass on to relevant people. Perhaps suggest people who know about each project (presumably your boss for most).

They clearly aren't asking you to go in again and train replacements/brief staff- which would defeat the point of PILON.

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 20:36

It's a small company and there's a lot of info in my head. I have been there longer than most members of staff and there's a lot of stuff that only I know how it works as I set it up.

To document everything - or to hand it over properly through meetings - to the point that other people there could actually pick it up would be more than a day's work I reckon.

My boss doesn't know about a lot of what I've been doing as her style was hands-off. She wasn't interested in the detail.

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 20:36

Useranon1 · 22/05/2022 20:25

Agree it sounds different to how you've interpreted it. Do you have any tech to return?

No, no tech to return.

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 20:37

Mummumtum · 22/05/2022 19:54

I’d just do a list of what you were working on, status & best contact person now you’re gone

There isn't a contact person for most of it now I've gone.

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