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Payment in lieu of notice means no handover, right?

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 19:30

I've just resigned from my work (long story, but basically a toxic environment).

They offered me payment in lieu of notice (PILON) which I took - I don't want to spend another minute in that place so I grabbed it with both hands. I did think it a bit odd they offered it to me as I've been there a while and have a lot of info on projects that I had assumed I was going to hand over during my notice period.

After acknowledging my acceptance of PILON, they then asked me to do a handover. But that's nuts, isn't it? If they want me to do a handover they need to pay me, don't they? They can't say they're doing PILON in one breath then ask me to keep working - can they? And, a handover is work, isn't it.

I want to write back and say "are you fucking kidding me" but suspect I need to be a bit more reserved, really

Can anyone advise? Thanks.

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 20:44

MadMadMadamMim · 22/05/2022 19:47

I'd be tempted to write back and state As you offered me payment in lieu of notice, I'm afraid I no longer work for you, so this will be difficult. My only suggestion is that you may wish to hire me as a consultant for a day's handover. My daily rate is (ENORMOUS).

😁

Tempting

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m00rfarm · 22/05/2022 20:47

As others have said - a handover is not training. Just an update on your normal project current situation and possibly your Things to Do list for each project. And a list of people involved in each project and contact details (customer and client if relevant). If you are not there then your boss presumably is the contact.

Youcansaythatagainandagain · 22/05/2022 20:50

JemimaTiggywinkle · 22/05/2022 19:54

My interpretation of handover isn’t “train up replacement staff to do job”. It’s more like a written list of projects, key points, outstanding actions etc.

Of course you could make it as useful or useless as you saw fit…

This is my experience and interpretation too.

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holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 20:52

m00rfarm · 22/05/2022 20:47

To do this so that the work could actually be picked up, would be about a day's work.

Would you do a day's work for an organisation who had bullied you out of a job, for free?

A simple list won't cut it as there will be several things on it no one knows how to do. Perhaps this is what I need to do, though?

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Youcansaythatagainandagain · 22/05/2022 20:54

holidaysandlazydays · 22/05/2022 20:36

It's a small company and there's a lot of info in my head. I have been there longer than most members of staff and there's a lot of stuff that only I know how it works as I set it up.

To document everything - or to hand it over properly through meetings - to the point that other people there could actually pick it up would be more than a day's work I reckon.

My boss doesn't know about a lot of what I've been doing as her style was hands-off. She wasn't interested in the detail.

If they don’t know how to proceed after your departure, that really is not your concern.

Write out the job spec, list the projects you were doing and have it over.

Make sure you get paid though presumably that might be when the next payroll runs.

AtrociousCircumstance · 22/05/2022 20:55

Do a simple basic list and add that if they need further details it will take time and an additional fee will have to be agreed since you’ve taken PILON.

confusedlots · 22/05/2022 21:08

Just keep it high level, outlining where you got to in the projects, list of relevant contacts etc. If they don't understand it or need training, then that's up to them to sort out. I probably wouldn't refuse to do anything, even though you don't want to work there again, it's always worth trying to remain civil with a former employer.

whatevernextmrprimeminister · 22/05/2022 21:32

I am absolutely staggered that they’ve not tied this up in a settlement agreement, particularly given the allegations of bullying! If your last day was effective immediately you should usually be paid on the next payroll run (or earlier)?

whatevernextmrprimeminister · 22/05/2022 21:36

Plus the settlement agreement would have an agreed reference in it.

if you don’t want to do the handover as you’re no longer employed, it’s up to you.

However, it seems that they have no idea what they’re doing and I’m not sure if they’d pull some stuff back/trust them with what they’re saying.

MoveOnTheCards · 22/05/2022 22:11

Surely pilon means you’re paid in the immediate cycle following the agreement and you are not required to work after that?

and YY to a handover being key details relating to activity (status, key contacts) rather than training someone else to do the job. If the organisation can’t provide staff to pick it up with the necessary skills then they shouldn’t have agreed to pilon.

donquixotedelamancha · 22/05/2022 22:40

Would you do a day's work for an organisation who had bullied you out of a job, for free?

Not giving anything gives an excuse for a poor reference. I'd do a 10 minute job.

If they want more then hopefully by that point the PILON will be settled and you can say either claim other commitments or offer to consult for a large fee.

BritInUS1 · 30/05/2022 06:23

This is going to come down to how you feel

Personally, I couldn't just fuck off and drop other people in it, but that's just me. It's not about the company, it's about your colleagues who are left behind to try and cover.

Also, it's not good practice to have everything in your head, why is it not all written down somewhere? Knowing you were leaving, why did you not write up systems notes etc

At the end of the day you have a PILON agreement, so legally I don't think they can make you do anything more. However, like I say, for me I wouldn't want to dump colleagues in it

EngTech · 30/05/2022 06:31

Not your problem, as you had payment to go immediately

Their mistake, not yours

You could ask for a consultancy fee to do the handover though 😎😎😎👍👍

BackToTheTop · 30/05/2022 06:38

Just write details of each project? What you've done and what's needed, you will already have all this information, so it shouldn't take too much time. Tbh I'd pad it out until you see the money in the bank then send and never look back

ivykaty44 · 30/05/2022 06:47

She's asked me to hand over to her but I can't do that as she hasn't got the skills to even understand some of the stuff I'd need not hand over.

that’s not your problem

jyst let them know you’ll do a written hand over and send it over

be really helpful and positive and she will not have a clue so it doesn’t matter

ivykaty44 · 30/05/2022 06:52

Personally, I couldn't just fuck off and drop other people in it, but that's just me. It's not about the company, it's about your colleagues who are left behind to try and cover.

op isn’t just fucking off and dropping other people in it

op handed in her notice and was given pilon, that was the companies decision, it’s the company that is toxic and that’s there choice, if the other ex colleagues have a problem they need to tackle the company about it - there are reasons the OP is leaving

Genegenieee · 30/05/2022 07:06

I don't understand why you can't write down a list of what you were working on so they can pick it up?

Do you have your final compromise / settlement agreement yet for your PILON?

OakPine · 30/05/2022 22:01

Were your colleagues supportive of you in the toxic environment? Did they have your back?

Maybe the answer to that will tell you how much effort you want to put into a handover. Write a bullet list of jobs or write a document. Up to you.

Good luck btw. Nothing better than getting out of a toxic environment.

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