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there is nothing else in the world, i would rather do than stay at home and bring up my baby

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robinredbreast · 04/12/2007 14:09

why do people think thats odd.
what a shallow materealistic world we liven

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OrmIrian · 05/12/2007 11:20

"But I really don't have a choice irritates the f**k out of me when people on threads like this suggest that I do really have choice I am just being shallow and materialistic and should cut back on the luxury holidays. "

I hear you annie, I hear you!

anniemac · 05/12/2007 11:24

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LadyOfTheFlowers · 05/12/2007 11:25

Cor!!
Love the title!

Since we were asked at infants school what we wanted to do when we grew up. I have wanted to be a SAHM!

'Astronaut' 'Zoo keeper' 'Nurse' 'Shop keeper' 'Vet' 'Detist' 'Mechanic' 'Writer' 'manager'.... 'MUM!!'

LOL

My friends fiance recently said to me:
'When Tara has had a baby, she WILL be going back to work as she is worth more than that'

'I think I do the most important job in the world tbh, shaping a child into a grown up' I retorted before I threw him out.

I gave up a managerial position in banking to bring up my children, I have qualifications and I also have every intention of returning to work when my kids go to school, but at the moment, I am living the dream!

anniemac · 05/12/2007 11:35

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LadyOfTheFlowers · 05/12/2007 11:46

Ooh yes, I am sure they do Annie and I feel very lucky to be able to be a SAHM.

fluffymummy · 05/12/2007 12:05

As a FTWM I have complete admiration for SAHMs...always thought I would want to be one but was surprised to find that I was actually quite keen to get back to work after 9 months. Don't get me wrong, I love hanging out with DS, and am really chuffed that bump 2 is due in January so I'll get loads more time at home with him next year before he starts nursery, but I found being a SAHM so much harder than working and I just don't think I'm a nice enough mummy when I'm at home all day . I wish I was, but have to admit that in many ways going back to work FT was the 'easier' option for me...although I am lucky as I get to work at home lots, and my main office is only 10 mins away when I'm not travelling....

More to the point, no-one has the right to make any of us feel bad about their choices...

pendulum · 11/12/2007 12:02

How old is your baby RRB? I'm currently on mat leave with no 2 and can't imagine leaving her to go back to work PT, but know that when the time comes I will be ready, just as I was with DD1.

I certainly don't think SAHMs are odd, in fact some of my best friends are SAHMs. We don't waste time commenting on or judging each others' choices or trying to justify ourselves to each other. When you get wound up by stupid comments that don't deserve your attention then come on here looking for validation of your choice, you only (no doubt unintentionally) perpetuate the poisonous sniping between the two sides of the debate.

Isa, comments about other families' financial situations are rude and irrelevant. Most WOHMs are not swanning around on foreign hols and driving multiple new cars. And (for me anyway) a key consideration is not the here and now, but the future. We need my pension pot as well as DH's. Even if we could cover our mortgage etc on his salary alone (which we couldn't) there would be no savings and that would keep me awake at night.

kerala · 11/12/2007 12:10

I am made to feel abit of a weirdo for staying at home although dd is only 1. All the other mums I know have gone back to work at least part time, and because my job was perceived as prestigious and well paid I am seen as abit eccentric for not going back to it. I find myself justifying myself when actually I have never been happier and plan to work again in the future.

I get lots of "you must be bored" "X needs to go to a nursery to prepare for school" (although our dcs are only 1!) type comments.

Its true you need to be quite bullish and confident about your choices because whatever you do will be seen as wrong by somebody!

Ripeberry · 11/12/2007 16:23

Whilst i was a full-time SAHM i got to do lots of projects as i called them over the 5yrs.
Built an Aviary in the back garden, redecorated the dinning room, put together a wendy house for the DDs.
Grew home grown veg every summer, kept chickens...still have some.
This year i'm doing a raised veg garden.
We've been going on holiday in the UK all that time using our trailer tent which we bought for less than £300.
Some people would find being a SAHM very boring but if you have imagination it can be very liberating.
AB

onilly · 11/12/2007 17:03

wow - this posting couldnt have come at a better time for me, what a debate. And I wish the answers where so simple ! There really is no right or wrong here. Its so emotive.
I am due back to work in January. I have always been convinced that I would go straight back to work without looking back. Yet I feel sick about going back. Work have been incredible, I have flexible working. I also have found a great childminder...
But I still feel sick. Is that natural ?
The worst part is that we can afford for me to stay at home and DH is really keen for me to. Bring on the guilt trip !
Yet, to be a SAHM also fills me with dread....sorry, but it does.... these have been incredible months - precious and magical and bittersweet. I have changed so much as a person (which will be interesting back in a fast moving work environment) - I would never have believed how much you can love and care for another being - yet, its also been quite lonely and boring.... and sadly, as hard as the work is - it's hard for me to feel validated. And I remain in awe of SAHM's that full their day and are so darn natural at it and feel so fulfilled !

Anyway - I have decided to go back to work, try out the childminder / flexible working thing - give it three months and if it doesnt work then I will know for once and for all.... right ?

Like hell ! I am sure I will always remain confused, guilt ridden and anxious about whatever decision I make.... argh!

susie100 · 12/12/2007 14:10

Quick question - why are you posting this on the Going back to work thread? Genuine question, I am confused?

Zazette · 12/12/2007 14:19

Interesting to juxtapose this thread with several threads on here where women who don't earn money are stuck in relationships with controlling, bullying men. Access to finanical independence is a relevant factor in the SAH/WOH decision, IMO.

BK78 · 14/12/2007 15:43

onilly, loved your point and feel exactly the same. not due to go back until june time but already feeling very conflicted in the same ways as you.

i must admit though, i DO have a bugbear when people say they 'have' to go back to work for the money. in my experience it's what people say when they really mean they WANT to go back to work but are afraid to admit it, and use the money as a practical cover. and it's always said by the people with the most money and who could afford not to work. one of my friends is planning on going back to work after having her baby, her husband is a lawyer and earns a fortune and she's still claiming she HAS to go back to earn money - it's rubbish. she wants to go back and that's her choice. let's be honest here, it's always possible to live on a reduced budget, not take holidays and buy expensive clothes etc. Our parents and grandparents generations didn't have the choice we have these days, and they seemed to manage on one person's salary. it just takes material and emotional sacrifices that our generation are not so used to taking. and i put my hand up as one of the guilty ones!

my conflict about work/home isn't really to do with money as any money i do make would go straight on nursery fees! It's more about the wrench between your mummy life and your non-mummy life and both are very appealing in their different ways.

such an emotive issue!

NotEvenHopingForAWhiteXmas · 14/12/2007 17:17

BK78 your post is full of sweeping generalisations.

"let's be honest here, it's always possible to live on a reduced budget, not take holidays and buy expensive clothes etc. Our parents and grandparents generations didn't have the choice we have these days, and they seemed to manage on one person's salary."

I am going back to work in January. I should be FT but am trying to negotiate temporary PT, although we can't afford it. We don't have expensive clothes or holidays.

DH's salary pays the mortgage (on an ordinary 3 bed terrace), the council tax and the endowment/ insurances, plus the costs of his car to get to work. He can't get rid of the car because he wouldn't get back what he owes on it and he can't afford public transport costs on top of insurance etc. His travel costs are going up by the week but his pay isn't.

If we want "luxuries" like food, electricity, gas and water I have to work. End of story. We can't downsize because smaller houses are still selling for the same sort of money as ours (which isn't flash by any means) and there are already 6 of us here.

This was an unanticipated baby so we have financial commitments we wouldn't have taken on had we known. Boring stuff like replacement windows and a new boiler. But they don't just disappear because you've had a baby.

FWIW my parents lived on one salary because society was geared up to that. They could pay the mortgage on a house bigger than ours through my father doing the same job I'm doing now. I can't. My parents managed 2-3 holidays a year on that, and a car and a phone, at a time when most people had neither. Their furniture lasted a lifetime. Now it's designed to fall apart and be thrown away.

Not everyone who says they can't afford not to work is being awkward, and it may be easy for you to reduce your budget but it doesn't follow that everyone else can. You don't know what goes on in other people's lives.

BK78 · 14/12/2007 21:10

ok fair point.

I agree it is a very generalised point, but just something that has frustrated me about the people I know. i just wish some people could be more honest about their reasons for going back to work. just as there are as many people who do need the money there are people who really miss their work, but feel that they can't admit that to people they know for fear of being thought of as a 'bad' mum...

it's a shame

FYI we can't really afford for me not to work either - it would mean moving to a cheaper flat miles out of town. but it's amazing what you'll consider once a baby comes along.

blueshoes · 14/12/2007 21:49

BK78, you are assuming that your friend does not need the money even though she said she did. You don't know - it is possible she is not lying. Maybe her dh does not earn as much as you assume he does. Maybe he intends to quit? Maybe they have debts? Who cares?

I for one just tell people I have gone back to work because I can't stay at home with my dcs 24/7 and I like the balance. It is a fact.

BK78 · 15/12/2007 09:58

I apologise for my words in my first post ? I don?t actually agree with them myself. I allowed my frustration at a couple of specific people spill over into a generalised diatribe. Shouldn?t have posted it in the first place. I?ve had a very hard emotional time reconciling the two sides of my life now and it?s hard to make sense of it all.

Again, I apologise for upsetting anybody with my sentiments

blueshoes · 15/12/2007 10:29

No worries, BK . Hope things settle down for you soon.

Judy1234 · 17/12/2007 09:29

People live in benefits in council housing so in a sense a father or mother working is always a choice. But I agree it may not feel like most of a choice for most people. I have always worked full time through choice.

The guilt is a shame. I can remember going back full time when my now 23 year old was a baby and it's a wrench particularly if you're still breastfeeding and have to express at work etc but like anything you get used to it and it works out fine for most of us. What is very sad is when parents continue to feel too much pointless guilt. If something is wrong, change it don't just moan about it.

ImBarryScott · 17/12/2007 09:35

Oh, I love the assumption that WOHMs work for holidays and other luxuries!

My DH's salary pays the mortgage. And the mortgage alone. I put the food on the table.
Cost of housing is at the root of this one. We have a small 2bed flat in Grotsville, not even a regular family house. And no, renting isn't cheaper round here.

Having said that I do enjoy my work. But I wouldn't be turning up there if my lottery numbers came up .

Spillage21 · 17/12/2007 09:52

Haven't got the energy to read all the posts, but I couldn't be a SAHM because:

  1. We really can't afford it...happy to send financial breakdown if anyone requests. We have one car (company), take no foreign holidays, state school education, have one TV, no computer games, etc.
  2. Just makes me worry to depend on one income (no jobs for life anymore) - DH was made redundant 3 times in one year - if it wasn't for me working we would have sunk.
  3. Most importantly, just feel really uncomfortable depending on a man.

This does not mean that I am against SAHM per se, just saying these are the reasons I couldn't...

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MerryPIFFLEmas · 17/12/2007 09:57

I think if you are free to choose, then it's great whichever way you do it.

Re being dependent on a man
in our situation he actually depends on me more than me on him
Money is only one way fo viewing it remember )

Spillage21 · 17/12/2007 09:59

Just one more thing, in the 70s mortgages could only be calculated on a property using one (usually the man's) income. Mrs Thatcher (I think) abolished this - house prices went up accordingly, and now here we are. Both parties have to work just to afford the mortgage on somewhere half decent...

Spillage21 · 17/12/2007 10:00

No, sorry, I think money is the basis of pretty much all of it. From bitter experience you can only cut back so much...

We're talking about Mums here.