9 day fortnight and bank holidays

[hp655]

I currently work 37 hours per week however I work longer days so every other Monday is my day off, in other words I might work say 8.20 hours for 9 days but essentially put in 74 hours over 10 days.
The next 3 bank holidays fall on my non working Monday so essentially I'm losing out here is this right?

No. I work a 9 day fortnight, I'm contracted to 37 hours per week. If that's split over 10 days it works out as 7.4 hours per day. When a bank holiday comes I am credited with 7.4 hours of work, and only need to make the rest up over my fortnight if that makes sense.

We keep ours recorded on an excel spreadsheet audited by manager

So our normal day is slightly longer than average but for a bank holiday you don't get knocked off a full long day as that would be unfair on normal full timers

Your holiday entitlement should be worked out in advance including Bank holidays and if you are due to be working that Monday then a day would be deducted but if you weren't due in that day then it wouldn't be deducted so you'd be free to take that day off when you choose.

We only get paid bank holidays if we would normally work that day, if it would normally be a scheduled day off we wouldn't get paid for it, I'm not in UK though

I work the same arrangement. I don’t have to book Monday bank holidays off if they don’t fall on my working days. I use that leave entitlement at another time.

Presumably you get 9/10 of the holiday entitlement of a person who works a 20 day fortnight, including bank holidays therefore yes it is fair. You’re not losing out, you’ll just take them another time.

Of course if you are not getting enough holiday compared to those working 10 days a fortnight that isn’t fair and needs sorting, but that’s got nothing to do with when bank holidays fall.

You work full time but a compressed 9 days in a fortnight. Your leave entitlement should be the same as other full timers but converted to hours to reflect your longer working days.

Full time = 37 hours a week (74 hours a fortnight). 7.4 hours a day 5 days a week. Statutory leave entitlement = 28 days including BH x 7.4 = 207.2 hours. Deduct 8 BH = 20 days leave.

Compressed hours = 74 hours a fortnight 8.22 hours a day 9 days a fortnight. Statutory leave entitlement 207.2 hours including BH. Deduct BH falling on working days 16.44 (2 x BH - GF & BD) = 190.76 hours leave. You can convert this back to days by dividing by 8.22 hours = 23.2 days.

Notes:

1. CD, BD & NYD move each year so if CD and NYD are a Monday you would deduct 32.88 hours.
2. You always end up with a 0.? The ? Should carry over to the next year and over time becomes a full day.

There really is no need to make it that complicated!

Person working 10 day fortnight gets 28 days including bank holidays, assuming the employer offers the statutory minimum.

OP therefore gets 28/10x9= 25.2 days. Any bank holidays falling on a day she is expected to work come out of that total leaving the rest to take when she wants.

Holiday calculations can be complicated, but there’s really no need to make them complicated when it can be avoided! The only time it is necessary to do it in hours like that is when someone works different hours each day. OP has said she works fewer days but has not indicated she works her days different lengths.

@flowery your right, it is simpler in this case. However, I have spent my working life explaining how and why leave calculations for people who work flexibly are fair, so hours is my go to option. Glad we came to the same figure

Nope, you get those days back. I work condensed hours and when a BH falls on my non-wprking day, I claim that back.

No don't follow flowerys method that would be if you had taken a pay cut and worked less hours than a full timer. You work full time hours you get full time leave entitlement

@nellly, @flowery’s method is just as valid as mine. What you have to remember is the OP gets paid and works 8.22 hours each day but someone working 10 days a fortnight gets paid and works 7.4 hours.

So if the OP takes 2 weeks leave they use 9 days rather than 10 days for non-compressed hours.

@nellly

No don't follow flowerys method that would be if you had taken a pay cut and worked less hours than a full timer. You work full time hours you get full time leave entitlement

My method IS full time leave entitlement. OP gets paid for 8+ hours every time she takes a day off, her colleagues get paid less.

I get 30 days + 8 days just like a full time person, because that's what I work but I just choose to consolidate them.
They are calculated in hours rather than days though...

My team take their 9 day fortnight on a different day that week when there is a bank holiday.

Lovely thank you!

@hp655

I get 30 days + 8 days just like a full time person, because that's what I work but I just choose to consolidate them. They are calculated in hours rather than days though...

Well that’s fine then isn’t it? Presumably no one is going to dock your holiday hours in respect of a day you weren’t due to work and don’t get paid for?

BH come off automatically....
Just I will have been due that day off having either the previous 9 days....

Not sure I follow?

But regardless of what your last sentence means, presumably the only bank holidays that come off automatically are the ones you are actually due to work?

Hi, I do 9days fortnight too, but, it feels like even I work exactly the same no of hours as a normal worker, I actually loose some A/L days per year. is that right? as seems unfair to me too, if we work same number of hours why we have to book our BH as 8.33 and loosing the A/L days?

I work 9days fortnight as 8.33h per day over 9 days, so total 74.97. A full time worker does 10x7.5h=75h over 10 days. I have 29 A/L entitlement, but every time I take A/L or there is a BH I need to book as 8.33h, in the end looks like I have less days off than a normal shift worker. I am looking around 4-5 days, is that right? please help P.S my NWD is a Friday every 2 weeks.

@andreia02 because you are paid 8.33 hours on a BH and a five day a week person is paid 7.5 hours. So you take 8.33 hours leave and they take 7.5 hours leave.

at the end of the month we both have the same salary, the salary is the same every month...

@andreia02 If a full time 5 day a week person has 29 days leave @7.5 hours = 217.5 hours leave
Plus 8 BH @ 7.5 hours = 60 hours = 277.5 hours paid leave a year.

You work full time but a 9 day fortnight. Your working days are 8.33.

You are entitled to 277.5 hour paid leave. Each time you take a days leave you deduct 8.33 from your leave allowance.

Hi yes thank you, but do you agree the fact that both employees the one who works 7.5 over 10 days or the one who works same number of hours 75h over 9 days one has 29 days of annual leave and the other just 26 if will be divided by 8.33? I can’t understand why if both will work the same amount of hours over 2 weeks…