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Time to accept that I will never work again...?

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Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 06:53

This is going to be long so please bear with me.

I have name changed as this is completely outing. Was thinking of posting in AIBU but imagined I will be told that “there are no excuses/you’re obviously doing something wrong,” etc. And maybe I am.

I will preface this by saying that I am registered blind.

In the past I have worked, however I gave up work to be a SAHM, and after my DC were old enough I found looking for work almost impossible. I am limited to the kinds of jobs I can apply for because Many just aren’t accessible. I can’t, for instance, go and work on a supermarket checkout or I would be by now.

So I started looking for work again and then I fell seriously ill, so was unable to even contemplate the idea for four years. But eighteen months ago I had an improvement in my health, and so was able to start looking for a job again.

i have applied everywhere. In fact I had an interview booked with a company who, when they discovered I was blind, withdrew the interview offer because of the fear that the system might be inaccessible if they gave me a job, and if that happened it would be unfair on a sighted candidate who would have missed out. Yes, I know they’re breaking the law but there really is nothing that can be done about these companies.

In October last year I was offered a job and thought that I’d struck lucky. However, once again I went to look at their system and it was found to be completely inaccessible. There are often ways to get round this through scripting of accessibility software etc, but it happened that on this occasion nothing could be done, and after deciding that there wasn’t a single other job in the organisation I could do the offer was withdrawn in April. I will point out at this stage that it was a full job offer, with a contract to sign, pre-employment screening which I passed etc. Access to work had been suggested as a possibility to look further into accessibility, but in order to apply for access to work you need a start date, and the employer was unprepared to give one even though it could obviously have been changed/removed.

Then the pandemic hit but I kept applying for jobs, some I never heard back from, some I had rejections, but this is just par for the course when you’re applying for work.

So I finally bit the bullet and applied for universal credit on the basis I would be assigned a job coach. I’ll admit I didn’t have much faith in the system after hearing accounts of blind people being told to apply for such roles as amazon delivery drivers 😂 but hey ho, we do what we must.

The job coach took some details, I have to commit to spending 35 hours a week looking for work, etc. She also referred me to Reed Employment as they are the service they use.

However I have this morning received an email from Reed saying that due to high demand they’re no longer taking referrals and so sorry to disappoint but good luck in the future.

Disability employment advisers no longer exist so that is not an option.

The VI charities such as the RNIB have no employment support in place, in fact my experience of the RNIB has been that I A, signed up for a back to work programme about four years ago which was cancelled on the day, they did however ask if we would sit on an interview panel which would look good on a CV. However they didn’t say what the interviews were,and when we arrived it transpired that they had brought together a group of blind people to interview existing employees to pick the ones who should be made redundant. All of these candidates were also visually impaired. So they were using the visually impaired community to put other visually impaired people out of jobs. Fuming doesn’t even cover it and if I’d known beforehand I would never have agreed to it.

Subsequent to that they also ran a focus group on getting back into employment, saying that they were going to liaise with companies on employing people with a visual impairment. Given that they themselves only have a 5% visually impaired work force the question was asked as to how they could possibly show any credibility to other companies. The programme was then withdrawn.

So, I feel I have in fact exhausted all avenues here. I’m not entitled to any money from UC due to owning a house, this was purely job specific, and given the amount of stress it has created I’m thinking that I should just withdraw the claim.

But I’m still unemployed, I receive spousal and child maintenance from my eXH but that will cease in a couple of years. I receive PIP which isn’t means tested.

So I am going to be in a position soon where I have very limited income, and even if I can sell the house and move elsewhere I still won’t have an income.

ESA (employment support allowance) was scrapped a year ago and it’s all now UC.

I literally don’t know if there’s any answer beyond this.

Clearly this is why 85% of the visually impaired population is unemployed but I really, really don’t want to be one of them, and yet it looks like I have no choice.

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 19/12/2020 07:02

I'm so sorry, this is rotten. What did you do before you were a SAHM? Do you have any contacts who might be useful?

Moondust001 · 19/12/2020 07:31

I don't understand why owning a house means you can't get UC. UC is means tested, but home ownership isn't relevant to that.

Disability Employment Advisors do still exist. There was a rumour a couple of months ago that they were being mainstreamed, but there has been no change to date in government policy, so all Job Centres should still have them. If they don't you need to be asking some serious questions of the Job Centre.

There are major regional and national diffferences in support available - it would be useful to have an indication of whereabouts you live.

Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 08:19

HoneysuckIejasmine in my previous life I was a secretary/audio typist, then a customer adviser for a large insurance company, and after that a finance administrator and promoted to finance manager within nine months in a government organisation...

When i left work to become a SAHM I volunteered in a primary school one day a week, listening to children read etc. Did the usual PTA stint and was then a chair of governors in a primary school.

I am now a peer support volunteer for a charity related to my other illness...

I don’t have contacts as such. I know people in organisations such as the civil service, BBC etc, but none of them are in a position to give me a job....

@moondust001 the disability employment advisers were more or less scrapped about three years ago. There were plans to bring them back but as yet this hasn’t materialised. There are some job centres where there is support but these are few and far between, and I don’t know a single person who feels they have received adequate support.

I am in Bromley.

The reason I am not eligible for universal credit is because I have equity in my property which means that I go over the £16000 limit even though that money isn’t physically mine, iyswim.

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dancemom · 19/12/2020 08:23

Do you live in the property that you own?

FairyontopofthetreeBatman · 19/12/2020 08:27

It’s so hard. I am VI but lucky to have enough usable vision not to need specialist accessibility software, and that still massively restricts the jobs that I can do. There’s absolutely no support out there and Access to Work are a joke, their process are so convoluted and it takes so long to be repaid for travel claims that I’ve ended up working for practically nothing in the past. I don’t have anything practical to offer, but I understand your frustration and I understand how shit it is!

Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 08:27

I do yes.

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Mnetter78432 · 19/12/2020 08:31

Local government. They have guaranteed interviews for disabled people and I have worked with visually impaired people in a variety of roles. They also have special technology to help too.

DianaT1969 · 19/12/2020 08:31

Can you work for yourself OP? Have you tried to do whatever you are skilled and comfortable doing as a self-employed person? Judging by your jobs before becoming a SAHM, can you be a self-employed bookkeeper, or similar? What would it take for that to happen? As it wouldn't impact your benefits (as you aren't getting any) and it would work around school holidays, it seems the obvious choice.

Derelictwreck · 19/12/2020 08:33

Op if you live in your house then the equity doesn't count as capital for the UC credit assessment.

But I also don't understand why you're not entitled to job support money. Reed not accepting referrals doesn't mean UC don't have to help you?

Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 08:40

@ Mnetter78432 I admire your optimism but that really isn’t how it is.

Some government departments are considered “disability confident,” in that they will guarantee interviews to candidates who meet the minimum criteria, but even that wording has now changed to “we will guarantee interviews to a selection of disabled candidates who meet the minimum criteria.

The organisation who withdrew the job offer is part government funded, think external organisation who deals with payment/pensions etc etc.. I was interviewed there under the disability confident scheme and I was offered the job. However, because their system was oracle based it isn’t accessible with any of the screenreader s at all (and I use jaws which is the most comprehensive. They wouldn’t entertain access to work because ATW require a start date, and they withdrew the job offer and have since removed the disability confident part of their job advertisement process.

I am all too familiar with the accessibility software and solutions available. I have worked in multiple organisations in the past and I use accessible tech in my every day life.

And I am aware that there are visually impaired people who are employed, but the fact that 85% of people with visual impairments are unemployed says a lot for the process.

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BatleyTownswomensGuild · 19/12/2020 08:40

My immediate thought was Government roles (either local or at civil service level.) I do know of someone registered blind who is in local Government in my area. I work as a careers adviser in HE and I've found the Civil Service to be one of the best employers when it comes to supporting disabled candidates/employees.

Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 08:44

@ Derelictwreck to be honest I have no idea. All I know is that I was told I am not eligible for any work related benefit. She did say they could have looked into the possibility of ESA i.e. specifically targeted work benefit for people with disabilities but that she didn’t think I would be eligible, even though I know people with my exact same level of visual impairment who have been placed on ESA at the higher rate so no expectation of finding work.

But the problem with that is that ESA was scrapped a year ago and newer applicants are no longer being accepted unless you can provide medical evidence of your inability to work which I’m not. But previous claims haven’t been reviewed iyswim.

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Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 08:46

@ DianaT1969 yes I have always aspired to work for myself actually. I don’t know whether I could do bookkeeping but I have writing/communication skills etc. I did train as a life coach but the industry has gone off in a direction I am not comfortable with.

Sadly a lot of people with VI are sucked into the world of MLM which isn’t something I aspire to either....

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Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 08:49

@ BatleyTownswomensGuild yes I agree that the civil service have an excellent reputation for employing people with disabilities, and I am currently on their job mailing lists. Although in the current climate jobs are fairly few and far between unless you want to work for HM prison and probation service which must have an astronomical staff turnover given the numbers of jobs they seem to put out there....

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MLMbotsgoaway · 19/12/2020 08:50

You sound bright and articulate OP and I think you should consider working for yourself or freelancing.

I also think you could consider a business that advocates for and helps blind people in the workplace. Obviously I don’t know what your background is but odd the top of my head
-anequality and diversity training/education business based on your experience would be a good one.

ivfbeenbusy · 19/12/2020 08:50

@Moondust001

Unfortunately that's a total misconception - if you have a mortgaged house you aren't entitled to any UC for the housing element. If you rent though you get loads of help.....

I know this because when facing redundancy and as the main earner by 3x DH I did all the calculators and all said the same thing.

The thinking being that benefits shouldn't be used to pay your mortgage (and build up equity) - although it doesn't mind doing that for someone else (ie the landlord if it's rented) 🤷‍♀️

justanotherneighinparadise · 19/12/2020 08:50

The only thing I thought was could you contact your local MP? Make a nuisance of yourself. Or the local newspaper and highlight the lack of job opportunities for someone in your position at a time when diversity and disability rights are supposedly at the forefront.

ivfbeenbusy · 19/12/2020 08:52

@Unemployablemuch

To be honest OP long term I would be looking at selling the house - use the equity until it's below the UC threshold (think it's £16k) and move into rented - then you'd be entitled to the housing benefit of the UC

MLMbotsgoaway · 19/12/2020 08:55

@ivfbeenbusy Op lives in a expensive London borough - I really wouldn’t recommend this.

HedgieHog · 19/12/2020 08:58

Years ago I temped in a uni and there was a lovely blind lady who worked on switchboard, I had to cover her lunch breaks, the uni was very accessible, is this an option?

OctaviaOrange · 19/12/2020 08:59

@ivfbeenbusy that's not good advice at all. Thankfully the op sounds switched on enough not to take it

OP - I think it may be worth your while exploring setting up your own business. A good starting point would be focussing on all your skills and building an idea from there

sandgrown · 19/12/2020 09:00

If the property is OP’s principal home any equity is not taken into account for UC. Mortgage interest would not be paid for 9 months. I second trying to get into the Civil Service. They have been recruiting heavily for staff to work on Universal Credit.

ivfbeenbusy · 19/12/2020 09:01

@MLMbotsgoaway

All the more reason surely? There was a poster a few months back whose husband earnt £70k a year - purely because they rented in an expensive London borough they were getting paid UC which I thought was the height of cheeky fuckery at the time - but in OPs case she absolutely deserves the financial support

Unemployablemuch · 19/12/2020 09:14

@ ivfbeenbusy no there is absolutely no way I would do this.

For me this isn’t so much about the benefits I want to have but the job I want, iyswim, and applying for UC was a way into the job system, but given the hoops I have to jump through and the amount of rejection and threats of sanction involved but with no financial benefit at the end of it and seemingly still no job prospects, I see little benefit (no pun intended) in continuing down that road...

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Parsley1234 · 19/12/2020 09:17

I’m a work coach just coming out of training
You can get UC your equity only counts if you have it in a second home which you don’t you can’t get mortgage help
Apply for the civil service they are taking on loads of people like me and it is a needs blind application. There is loads of help
on line how to apply using STAR model etc you only declare health issues after you get offered the job it’s a great great employer