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New job changed the provision promised

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 12:05

I started a new job a few months ago. It is a part time role and I discussed my days off when accepting as I have little flexibility with childcare and needed to confirm with days nursery/school before the places went.

I'm now being asked to change days which I am unable to do due to childcare restrictions. This has meant I am now excluded from an essential part of my role which has been changed to take place on a day I am not in. This also forms a training opportunity for me as I am expected to deliver this particular event to my wider team.

I moved roles to specifically be a part of this training and now won't receive it. I've offer to undertake a different type of training to support my role but this was declined.

I am the only one out of a team of 15 that won't be receiving the the training. Any advice please?

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SplunkPostGres · 25/10/2020 12:10

Tricky one this as it’s a pain organising these things to suit everyone’s schedules. They probably went with the option that would facilitate maximum attendance or some other criteria. Can you not arrange emergency childcare as a one off for this event? Sometimes you need to weigh up the pros v cons of the additional cost outlay.

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 12:55

This is an ongoing event unfortunately. Emergency childcare will be tricky to find and will come at a cost I don't especially want have.

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flowery · 25/10/2020 14:16

You shouldn’t be excluded from training opportunities because of your part time status. Did they explore other options- could they do it on a day you’re working?

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 17:49

It's currently happens on a day I'm in and my initial day off agreed around this. I dont know other people schedules so perhaps the only other day everyone (bar me) can do is this particular day. The external provider needs to change the day rather than my employer.

It's annoying because it's a pretty key component I'll now not receive

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flowery · 25/10/2020 17:56

Ok well if the external provider is the one changing the day there’s probably not a lot your employer can actually do about it is there? Is there something you think they could be doing?

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 19:27

Why bother replying with an arsey response?

Are you not able to throw your weight around elsewhere so feel the need to do it here. If you think it's a pointless question ten just don't reply surely.

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notapizzaeater · 25/10/2020 19:29

Have you explained the extra cost in childcare? They might be able to help ?

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 19:30

I haven't yet but I will do and see how that goes.

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ChaChaCha2012 · 25/10/2020 19:32

flowery's response was pragmatic, not arsey. Her question is what any solicitor would ask, what can the employer reasonably do to facilitate this training for you?

flowery · 25/10/2020 19:34

@lippynotgloss

Why bother replying with an arsey response?

Are you not able to throw your weight around elsewhere so feel the need to do it here. If you think it's a pointless question ten just don't reply surely.

I beg your pardon?!

Wow. Try and help someone and this is what you get? Blimey.

Good luck getting your employer to be flexible if this is what they get asking a simply question.

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 19:36

They could come up with options to facilitate it or I don't do this component of my job I guess.

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 19:40

But you weren't trying to help though were you?

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flowery · 25/10/2020 19:43

@lippynotgloss

But you weren't trying to help though were you?
What on earth?

I cannot advise you what your employer could/should be doing unless you tell me whether there is something you think they could do to enable you to take part in this training. Then I can tell you whether it would be reasonable to insist on that or how to get them to do it.

Good grief. I have no idea why I’m still bothering. There’s no helping some people.

PantsandBoots · 25/10/2020 19:44

I read Flowery's comment as asking you what you would like them to do to help you.

flowery · 25/10/2020 19:44

Top tip; having this attitude at work won’t get you what you want.

RainbowMum11 · 25/10/2020 20:01

Flowery is the most knowledgeable and helpful person - particularly on employment issues which is her professional specialism.
Don't take anything out on her for trying to help, flipping heck.

DianaT1969 · 25/10/2020 20:22

OP, in my opinion you were very rude to Flowery.
There was nothing wrong with her comment. Either her question or the tone. It's the first thought I had when I saw the external supplier changed the date, not your company.

friskybivalves · 25/10/2020 20:28

Blimey OP, as anyone on the Employment boards knows, Flowery is astonishingly generous with her experience and knowledge, and has guided many posters through truly complex injustices.

Her point is simply that if it's the external provider moving the goalposts it's hard to lay this one on your own employer.

For you to mouth off at her - winceworthy.

friskybivalves · 25/10/2020 20:31

"Are you not able to throw your weight around elsewhere?"

If that's your snap judgement of people and you're so quick to voice it, I think the training you need most urgently is in basic good manners and how to be a decent team member.

Over and out.

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lippynotgloss · 25/10/2020 20:52

It's so interesting when you don't usually go on particular boards to see how posters act. I didn't find Flowerys post helpful at all but rather snippy and arsey. From the reaction of others it clearly wasn't intended that way.

This however is much more helpful...

I cannot advise you what your employer could/should be doing unless you tell me whether there is something you think they could do to enable you to take part in this training. Then I can tell you whether it would be reasonable to insist on that or how to get them to do it.

Although in all honesty I think the moment has passed.

I'm not a team leader and nor would I want to be. I'm in a specialist in a specialist field and took this job out of the five I was offered for the training opportunities it provides.

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DianaT1969 · 25/10/2020 22:08

But no apology to Flowery.

newnameforthis123 · 25/10/2020 22:20

Your attitude is so bad, OP!

Maybe have a think about quite a few of us have read your posts with the snarky tone you accused @flowery of. They are a knowledgeable and helpful poster. You sound entitled and if I'm honest quite bratty in your responses to them, whether you knew their expertise or not.

Chill out and don't assume the worst of people.

The people I value most as an employer are happy to voice their concerns in a constructive and confident manner without being rude and entitled. I would facilitate their requests more than someone rude and entitled, obviously.

friskybivalves · 25/10/2020 22:51

"I took this job out of the five I was offered...". Ahhh OP. You are truly the gift that keeps giving.

user102740264923 · 25/10/2020 23:01

You're the only one interpreting that post as snippy or arsey.

Have you never asked questions to think through a situation? It was quite obvious that was the intention.

Your reaction was nasty and extreme. Your follow-up posts don't come off much better.

flowery · 25/10/2020 23:19

Thank you everyone I really appreciate it Smile

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