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Private Sector to Civil Service

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IceniSky · 19/04/2020 20:58

Only ever worked in the private sector, but have an interview Friday for a civil service job.

I'm a little nervous but am also worried about if I was offered it. Has anyone made the leap and what were the difference? I'm in a large global organisation.

Not sure if it is the right time but feel my male dominated role is becoming toxic and a playground for egos. Feeling the need to escape.

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IceniSky · 19/04/2020 22:21

I'm 40s and been with organisation for 17 years. Will it be a culture shock? My current role is fast moving and fire fighting with little time to focus on improvements. Everything is 'critical' and everything is 'escalted' if you don't jump.

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ecuse · 19/04/2020 22:31

I don't have much helpful to add yet, but I'm in very similar position so will watch with interest. About to start in Senior Civil Service in two weeks, having spent 19 years of my career to date in consultancy.

In my interview I played up my ability to bring fresh skills, perspective, ways of working which I'm told played well in securing me the job, in addition to my actual technical skills which are much stronger than some (policy) civil servants who hop around roles with lots of fantastic transferable skills but not a huge amount of subject knowledge. None of which will help in deciding whether you want the job but might help you in interview. Other tip is to really get on top of their very rigid structure of interview "success profiles" which are glorified competencies. These should work in your favour as recently updated to allow a broader spectrum of experience and attributes to be recognised not just direct examples of doing specific narrow tasks. But you need to prep it or you'll be wrong footed.

I have been worrying about not knowing "how things are done" but a wise friend and career & long civil servant told me to stop asking him how things were fine, because they'd presumably employed me because they wanted a fresh perspective and sometimes the CS needs a bit of a kick to get beyond "how it's done".

Good luck! And wish me luck! What a crazy time to start a new job....

IceniSky · 19/04/2020 23:11

Good luck!

I think my area is a new department and in an up and coming sector.

I've been conducting competency based inteviews for years but what are these new strength bits ? I'm struggling to work out what the format may be for these.

I also have to give a 10 minute presentation.

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wizzywig · 19/04/2020 23:16

Ive found going from private to civil service, that im expected to conform and clock in and out, never volunteer for things that will give me exposure to learning new skills or networking. Maybe thats just my office though? Im surrounded by people who think im wierd because i read relevant books/ articles relating to my job.

BubblyBluePebbles · 20/04/2020 00:03

I've worked in public sector for 30 years and also had a few jobs in the private sector during this period. It all depends on the area you're going into, colleagues, level and management and you.
I expect that the role and/or expectations may have changed since lockdown.
I jumped ship last year due to relentless cuts, bad management and burnout. I was initially looking to move solely into the private sector. After a break of several months, I've ended up back in the public sector last month. The role is close to home, offers amazing flexibility inclu. school hours. It's also a newly created role. Starting a new job 2 weeks b4 lockdown is far from ideal (getting set up on IT systems was problematic, but expected), but I've more or less been able to hit the ground running due to my previous experience, which also gives me the autonomy to create my own JD.

It's a tick box/points scoring exercise, so answer every question with examples of how you have done this or that.
Do your research so you have questions to ask the interviewer/s. Good luck 🍀

IceniSky · 20/04/2020 09:02

It's a level 4 role. Anyone have any examples of the strength type questions?

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IceniSky · 20/04/2020 10:11

My stress levels are through the roof. No idea how I can work, home school and prepare for this.

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BirdieFriendReturns · 20/04/2020 11:10

I’ve worked in both. I much prefer the private sector - I’ve worked in banking in the City but London isn’t commutable for me at the moment. I miss working in glamorous London offices in a busy and stimulating environment. Provincial offices just don’t do it for me!

I’m going back to the Ministry of Defence. To be honest, I didn’t particularly enjoy working there before but I’ve been offered a job at HEO level and there’s not a lot else around my local area at the moment. I was earning much more working in London.

I find some of the people not very nice - lots of middle aged men “empire building” and I was bullied by a military officer which led to me putting in a grievance and I later resigned.

IT is crap. The buildings are largely in a state of disrepair. It’s not a forward thinking organisation at all.

But a job is a job right now. The pension and parental leave policy is very good and you can move around the civil service internally. Hopefully it’s a stable job in the upcoming recession.

IceniSky · 21/04/2020 16:34

Ha! I am disliking my private sector job because of middle aged men empire building. Fed up of it. Oh dear.

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User202004 · 21/04/2020 16:45

Now I enjoy my job, the security, the benefits, working for the wider good of society etc. No regrets. But, for me the biggest frustration is the inability to modernise and improve, now I know CS is huge and it's not fair to generalise but I suspect it's quite similar across the CS.

When I started I was told to put new ideas in, share my experiences, they said as an outsider my opinions on processes were invaluable and if I had any suggestions to make things more efficient to speak up. Great. But in reality, when you do, you get told "ah well there's history to that" and "oooof you see politically, that's very sensitive" about the most banal of the things. Problem is so many of the staff have been there for so long they can't visualise things any other way and seem terrified to actually manage people and change.

But I'm generalising, I don't regret the move, it is frustrating and something I've noticed as an outsider.

maxelly · 21/04/2020 17:09

Ooh good luck. I do think there is a 'civil service culture' of sorts although of course it is a enormous and diverse organisation so no one person's experience/department will be the same as another's. It does suit some people, some people absolutely hate it Grin.

Purely from personal experience I would say it is really brilliant to work somewhere where the drive and purpose of the organisation is to benefit the nation and the public rather than to make profit, and for the most part you can tell this is what motivates people and it makes for a nice atmosphere.

Civil service organisations particularly the bigger ministerial departments do tend towards a somewhat conservative (with a small c), meritocratic type of culture, perhaps even to the point of being a old-fashioned, so for instance familiar people, systems and ways of working are clung to for dear life; experience, long service and knowledge are often hugely valued, sometimes at the cost of new ideas/innovation; people are generally well respected by their colleagues but this can be based more heavily on seniority/grade than on actual ability; staff have a lot of 'rights' (pension scheme, sickness benefits, job security etc still virtually second to none and there is often quite a lot of opportunity for flexible working, flexi time etc) but sometimes this is too rigidly stuck to and hinders change and true flexibility - pros and cons all round!

People often complain about the risk-averse, highly political type culture of the CS but IMO this is just as bad in the private sector, it just manifests differently. For instance just to take a very stereotypical example (and of course this isn't universal) in the private sector poor performance (of staff members or contracts or projects or whatever) will usually be fairly ruthlessly and brutally axed, no mercy or chance to improve given, (because the organisation won't risk second chances), whereas in the public sector obvious problems can be left to run for a long time (don't want to risk upsetting the apple cart), sometimes this is great because given time and support things can change for the better but obviously also sometimes they just fester and we waste a frustrating amount of time and money for want of someone taking decisive action...

Overall if you have the motivation to serve the public and are of the right kind of mindset where you can cope with the shifting sands of public policy direction/ministerial whim, and are able to navigate and not be driven mad by layers of bureaucracy and slow moving progress, it could really suit you. You probably won't know until you experience it, but I'd say give it a good go with an open mind Grin.

BubblyBluePebbles · 21/04/2020 21:37

I work for a Local Authority, not the Civil Service, so unable to advise re. your Level 4 question.
Working for a LA is obviously not exactly the same but it's similar re. the culture and some of the pros & cons mentioned in the other posts here.

Re. homeschooling, it will be difficult and especially so depending on the age of your child/children (GCSE's, etc). My two DC are 5 and 9. We try to do a bit each day, including using Maths in cooking tasks, etc. Kids are resilient and will catch up soon enough.

I was looking forward to working in a fancy modern building in the private sector, but I've lucked out with a modern council building which helps.

True what a poster said about some people being stuck in their ways. Some are lazy and/or incompetant and are just miserably hanging around for retirement, but obvs not all. Some of the worst culprits will have hopefully been performanced managed out, if the management is worth their salt.
Overall, it is what you make it.

I broke my long service last year, as I had had enough of the downsides of the previous LA that I worked for. Political colours didn't help. I had planned to eventually start my own business this year, but my gut told me to put if off a bit longer. I'm glad I did, as I managed to get back into the Public Sector just 2 wks before the World changed.

AnneElliott · 21/04/2020 21:50

Level 4 is a G7/6 I think? Is that right? What strengths/competencies are they testing and I'll see if I can find some practise questions.

BirdieFriendReturns · 21/04/2020 22:30

Level 4 - is it DE&S by any chance? Because there are a LOT of dickheads there and it’s a seriously weird place!

www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/Employee-Review-UK-Ministry-of-Defence-RVW17935298.htm

IceniSky · 21/04/2020 22:56

Level 6 or 7 yes. Don't really understand the levels.

Seeing the bigger picture
Working together
Developing self and others
Communicating and influencing

Not defence. Have read glass door sounds ok. I work in the industry but in private sector. My current role is technical and operational and full of yes people, and after many years I just dont think I can tolerate it anymore. This is WFH for 80% of time. Less technical and not operational. Less pay. Just feel like I really need to leave and this is the best I can find. And it is a good role.

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BirdieFriendReturns · 21/04/2020 23:00

Well you might as well go for it - stay away from Defence! Wink

BikeRunSki · 21/04/2020 23:05

I did it 15 years ago and have no regretted it for a second.

mrsbyers · 21/04/2020 23:21

I’m coming up to my first year anniversary in HMRC my first role in public sector and haven’t regretted it for a second. I joined as a 7 and within a couple of months was temporary promoted to a 6 which has just been extended. It is different and there are rules but it’s not nearly as restrictive as I imagined it to be and with more people coming in from ‘outside’ the culture is really quite good

User202004 · 22/04/2020 08:18

@IceniSky it is a very different culture. The agency I work with are are very committed and passionate,but, respect work life balance. There's no passive aggressive commentary on who leaves or starts when, we all work flexi, come and go as we please and work for the hours we are PAID, no expectations to put in more than that.

One of our S grades took a significant paycut to move into the CS purely for work life reasons and he has no regrets, he says he's a changed man.

I could earn double in the private sector (well not including pension in that tbh) but I just don't think you can put a price on flexi, home working etc. During Covid we have a time code that if we can't work our 7.5 hours in that day we top up the day with the code which is paid special leave which is just brilliant I think.

So for me the positives outweigh the negative.

IceniSky · 22/04/2020 20:37

How long do you tend to spend on interview prep?

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User202004 · 22/04/2020 21:05

I have never spent as much time preparing for a job as I did with the application and interview for this one. I spent a stupid amount of time, much of May half term last year from what I remember! There was quite a lot of research I needed to do though as I was side stepping into a different niche of my sector that's heavy in legislation, so I guess it depends on the job. Preparing for a competency based interview always takes a bit of time I find.

bellinisurge · 22/04/2020 21:08

I made the leap. Just another interview to be honest.

Saffzy · 22/04/2020 21:26

Can’t really help with making the ‘jump’ as only worked in the CS. I’ve worked in quite a few different government departments though. If you google ‘Civil Service Success profiles’ there is some information on there. Make sure you have a competency for each of the what you’ve listed (there should be some guidance on what is expected at each grade on success profile information page).

What I’ve found is that those coming from outside the Civil Service have more bargaining power on salary (within the advertised pay brackets), this totally may just be my department but it may be something to bear in mind.

IceniSky · 22/04/2020 21:48

Can you go above the pay bracket?

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User202004 · 22/04/2020 22:09

In my experience no, the salary grades are quite restrictive in the public sector, it's why they created "professions" in the CS to try to develop more competitive salaries. In the CS now they don't even move you up within the pay band like they used to. I have gone in at the start of the band (this job was quite a leap for me so I didn't have any intention to try to negotiate) and the only way I can move up is to apply for the retention scheme even then it doesn't bump it up much. It's pretty rubbish really and will be the main reason I jump ship inevitably.

You'll only be able to try to negotiate within the band.

But I think it depends on the area of the CS you are going in to and the nature of the job, I'm in a very small organisation, with very limited budget. I'm lucky my job is the grade it is as in other CS organisations it's a lower grade.