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Private Sector to Civil Service

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IceniSky · 19/04/2020 20:58

Only ever worked in the private sector, but have an interview Friday for a civil service job.

I'm a little nervous but am also worried about if I was offered it. Has anyone made the leap and what were the difference? I'm in a large global organisation.

Not sure if it is the right time but feel my male dominated role is becoming toxic and a playground for egos. Feeling the need to escape.

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jewel1968 · 23/04/2020 10:54

I am civil servant and have been for years. The last 10 years I have found myself in key high priority and high profile work and I find it stretching, interesting and stressful. Lots of frustration too with stuff like IT etc . I have a few friends that made the jump you are considering. One said he has never worked as hard in his life but is loving it. Another expressed surprise at the level of responsibility given even to pretty young staff members.

I have a couple of friends that hop back and forth between private and civil service and I think they like both sectors and recognise the failings in both. When they come back to us they bring different perspectives which helps us.

IceniSky · 23/04/2020 15:47

Well things arnt boding well. The test call failed. I have work tech that I can't use so my personal device doesn't cut it. So now a conference call.

I have to do a presentation. I couldn't send the slides via work account and my personal account wont recover passwords so have had to send from husbands. Its embarrassing and im stressed already.

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IceniSky · 24/04/2020 12:28

Found that hard. Answred everything but examples weak. Also the behaviours I was tested on were not all on the list they sent.

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mrsbyers · 24/04/2020 13:26

I came out of my civil service interview exhausted and absolutely certain I had failed it ‘worst interview ever’ was a Facebook memory of the day recently but actually was offered - it’s over now, you’ve can’t change anything so try and chill

User202004 · 24/04/2020 13:38

I felt awful after my interview too, I normally feel quite happy but I remember thinking I hadn't shown myself well. Sit tight, they can be slow to respond at this stage. Try and enjoy the weekend 😊

IceniSky · 01/05/2020 16:44

I have another call next week!

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Unescorted · 01/05/2020 16:59

Well done.

In answer to your original question, each department and agency is different.
I love mine, we have really good IT, good work life balance (condensed hours, wfh, flexi, PT, job shares), huge holiday allowance (35 plus statutory), shit at salary progression within bands, lots of possibility to progress through different roles, good pension. Throughout the COVID lockdown they have been so flexible …. you need to work at 6:30 in the morning or 10 o'clock at night because that is best for you... so be it.
The best bit is that I wake up knowing my job has made a significant difference to a person's life for the better.

User202004 · 02/05/2020 17:41

Congratulations! Good luck!

ecuse · 02/05/2020 23:58

Well done, and good luck!

IceniSky · 04/05/2020 09:35

So I've been working a little under 2 hours and I just want to stick my Vs up to the screen. The tone of emails from someone who is my equivalent and apparently wanting to achieve the same outcome is just too controlling and talking down to me.

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IceniSky · 04/05/2020 09:36

Wrong thread!

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IceniSky · 05/05/2020 13:36

Quick question, does the salary increase each year with at least cost of living e.g 2% or if you get your salary is that it and in 3 years you are on a lower salary as things increase?

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BusyProcrastinator · 09/05/2020 23:44

Not sure if I've missed the interview but I'd begun typing this before I realised there was a second page!

I'm a L4 civil servant.

So much of the culture depends on the department but most specifically your team. IMO the CS is all about people-skills - working well with others. You can think differently, you can challenge, you can be innovative, but you MUST do it with good grace, taking people with you. This will involve lots of listening to start - everyone is used to new people starting and asking 'why can't we do it like X?' and it's usually something that's already been tried or is impossible to do without spending an extra £3million or (as per my previous team) employing 38 new staff. In general, it's good though and I feel that my advice and strategic thinking, etc, are usually valued. In many roles, the biggest thing to get over is that often things seem a lot more complicated than they actually are. If you're working on something very political, it is likely that you will feel pressure or become cultured to tell ministers how to do what they want to do, rather than saying 'if you do X, it's all going to go tits up'. (Civil Servants are often nervous of putting things in writing too, although it is sensible to treat everything you write as though it could be seen by the press or the person you're talking about - both of which could happen).

It's difficult to get paid over the band but for you coming in privately, they may be able to do it. (Someone senior can sometimes sign off on these things, but your pay would probably be frozen for a long time.) BTW, to earn more money you need to apply for the next grade up or go to a department that pays more. Your annual pay rise will otherwise be somewhere under 1% or frozen for many years if we have more austerity. If you're aware of the memes about Tories voting against public sector pay rises in 2018 and cheering about it - civil servants were part of that. So make the most of things like flexi-time, paid courses and (in most departments) not having to account for every minute of your time.

The biggest thing for competencies (and although they are now 'success profiles', remember the people interviewing you are civil servants who have had years of competencies') is to use the STAR format for your answer.

Situation - 10%
Task - 10%
Actions - 70%
Result 10%

  • if you have time, finish with a sentence about 'if I were to do this again, I would...' or 'the biggest thing I learnt from this was...'. Showing that you can reflect and have learnt is a big boost to your competency.

Yes, you can use notes / a crib sheet.

Really pay attention to the question being asked. (I will write down the key words when they ask me to make sure I have covered them, but I'm terrible for tangents).

If you can talk about technical terms and explain them well, the panel will like that. Often there may only be 1 person on the panel from your area, plus everyone uses different acronyms.

Do use words/phrases from the Success Profiles, including to structure your response. It sounds really blatant but it works.

Good luck.

BusyProcrastinator · 09/05/2020 23:53

oh - as a few PS's, (despite my previous post being very long!)

  • despite any culture to tell ministers what they want - don't do it. If (and when) shit hits the fan, the audit trail will work in your favour. You are also likely to save £££s and weeks/months/years by being realistic in the first place. Chilcott/Iraq, HS2 and Windrush are 3 examples of people not asking basic questions about why we are doing things rather than pushing ahead with 'how'.

The Civil Service is massive and once you're in, you'll find there are so many jobs open to you.

IceniSky · 10/05/2020 09:24

Thanks very much! I've been offered the job! It is a non ministerial department but one of the issues as to why I want to leave is because people I work with only tell our exec what he wants to hear creating massive pain a enormous increases in workload. Holding us to their promises.

I'm very concerned about the pay, but the pension is better. It is WFM but to visit client sites. I'm not near London so not sure what other oppurtunities I'll get, but I know I can't go on in the other role. I'm frazzled and don't want to do anything or talk to my family after each working day finishes.

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