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Redundancy - my job being advertised

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 15:57

Okay I've been put at risk (hence the name). I get it's happening. However, my job, new job title, exact same duties. has been advertised in the last 12 hours on LinkedIn.

Is this right? What are my rights here?

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MilkNoSugars · 10/04/2020 15:58

How long have you been employed there?

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 16:08

4 yeard

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MilkNoSugars · 10/04/2020 16:27

I would suggest that you speak to your employer and ask WHY your role has been made redundant (as it is roles that are made redundant, not people) if it is being advertised on Linkedin.

See what they say and then take it from there.

MilkNoSugars · 10/04/2020 16:36

Oh and save a copy of the LinkedIn Ad as evidence!

If this is not a genuine redundancy situation (and it wouldn't be if someone else was immediately employed to do the job that is being made redundant) then you could ultimately claim unfair dismissal or discrimination (as appropriate) at employment tribunal.

But best to raise your concerns with your employer now, and as part of your redundancy consultation process - and if necessary by raising a grievance as it's best to try and resolve matters directly with your employer first.

Keep all emails, meeting notes, letters etc and insist that meeting notes are taken and things are put in writing. Always useful to have a robust audit trail.

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 16:46

Thanks.

I've saved a copy of the advert. I've drafted an email to my line manager copying in the head of people and culture.

I've said

Further to our conversation yesterday 9th April at 12.30pm, I'd like to confirm I have received the At Risk letter that landed in my inbox after hours yesterday, so did not have a chance to read and digest the information at this time.

however, I'd be grateful if you could confirm that my roles and the duties it entails is at risk of redundancy and are not in fact redundant at this time.

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 16:51

Do you think this may get them to confirm that my job as it is now is redundant. Or will they admit they want the same job done for less money?
I was supposed to be transitioning to another section of the department so that didnt start yet, so I'm still in the same role as they stopped hiring new people to allow me to move over.

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BalloonSlayer · 10/04/2020 17:05

I don't think your email makes sense, sorry. The last paragraph says both can you confirm that your role is and isn't redundant.

flowery · 10/04/2020 17:07

Your email doesn’t make sense.

What was the reason they gave you for your role being at risk of redundancy?

BalloonSlayer · 10/04/2020 17:10

Actually the first paragraph isn't great either . . . are you saying that the At Risk letter arrived after the meeting so you were not able to . . . do what?

It's good manners to let you know the At Risk letter is on it's way before it arrives, you seem to be implying they have delayed it deliberately. The phrase "landed in my inbox after hours" emphasises this.

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 17:16

Sorry, we were told that the At Risk letter would come by COB yesterday, after an announcement by the CEO. It hadn't arrived until after COB so I was trying to ensure there was a clear timeline, when I could read and sign the document. I wouldn't want them to think I was trying to delay anything, I wasnt sure the conversation would be seen as the notification or the letter which I hadn't signed and returned which they asked me to.

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 17:21

@BalloonSlayer

Well as they said the role is at risk, but if they are re-advertising it sounds like it is already redundant. I guess I need to know if there is a difference between at risk of and already 'redundant'.

@flowery they said the two departments were being restructured.

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PegasusReturns · 10/04/2020 17:24

When you say you’ve drafted an email has it actually been sent??

flowery · 10/04/2020 17:26

In that case just send them a copy of the ad and ask for clarification why they are recruiting to your role if it is at risk of redundancy.

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 17:29

Just to clarify they've changed the name of the job. Will that make a difference?

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 17:30

@PegasusReturns no. It was drafted. I'm glad as it didnt make sense to anyone.

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flowery · 10/04/2020 17:34

”Just to clarify they've changed the name of the job. Will that make a difference?”

They might argue it does, but if you’re certain it’s the same job you can still ask, but point out the similarities.

flowery · 10/04/2020 17:35

Also say that surely if roles are at risk of redundancy, they should not be recruiting anything in the relevant departments externally unless and until they are certain no internal candidates are available.

topcat2014 · 10/04/2020 17:36

Do you have a job description for your current job to compare against?

BalloonSlayer · 10/04/2020 17:57

I think I have misunderstood what you are asking on this thread.

I thought what you were saying was "I have been told my role is at risk of redundancy, but they are advertising my job. If they need someone in the job then it can't possibly be redundant, are they pulling a fast one?"

But your later posts suggest you seem to be asking:

"I have been told my role is at risk of redundancy, but they are advertising my job, which must mean they have already decided mine is one that is definitely going, and is not merely 'at risk,' am I right?"

My answer is "yes," to the former, and "probably" to the latter.

AiryFairyMum · 10/04/2020 18:01

Are you in a union? They are best placed to negotiate this on your behalf.

SoloMummy · 10/04/2020 18:08

I believe that if they can show that the job description has changed by 50% then they could advertise for the new role. However, they'd need to offer to those at risk to apply before others both internally and externally.

How much is the pay drop?

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Atr1sk · 10/04/2020 18:11

No union, but I think they are trying to pull a fast one as BalloonSlayer suggests. I've worked with lawyers for over 20 years. This is their modus

The job they have advertised uses the same job description I provided to them when I was moving sections. It's my role with a new title. And now that I've thought about that fact, I'm a little more peeved than at them being just underhanded.

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Hamandcheesetoasties · 10/04/2020 18:27

Have you looked at your rights on the ACAS website?

I’d suggest you hold off sending the email till you’ve read the info on the site and having a chat with them. No point sending the email today as its the Easter weekend, use the time to check your rights.

Good luck

Dontjumptoconclusions · 10/04/2020 18:28

Id say to be straight about it and say you're a little confused about the risk of redundancy as this job (link) is advertised on LinkedIn and you want some clarification before you sign the at risk of redundancy letter.

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Atr1sk · 11/04/2020 13:10

Suddenly the job is no longer taking applicants

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