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Why do people work part time ? I've never understood it...

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mozhe · 17/05/2007 00:45

I never have, but lots of colleagues in NHS did....you end up doing 3/4 of the work for 1/2 the salary, and get passed over in the promotion stakes...And have you noticed that it's nearly always women who do this ? Why ? I actively discourage junior staff from doing this but lots seem to....

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LoveAngel · 18/05/2007 14:58

Xenia:

I never understood it either. Your husband assumes you can doo all the house things and children are your responsibility and work is cross because you can't really do the job properly and you often get full time work for part time hours and you're career over the next 40 years is often shot to pieces. Worst of all worlds. Also you have that position in regards to your partner, if you have one, that you are the house person so it's also a power and domestic issue too. You are lesser economically, earn less, he is more, supports the family and your money is just kind of minor pin money so you lose status both at work, in society and in your relationship.

I think that is extremely preumptuous. You are assuming that all people everywhere are the same - same relationships, same employers, same goals and desires in life. I don't for one minute pretend that employment law (or more improtantly, practice) favours working mothers. It clearly does not. And I know that many employers sideline part-time workers. But this isn't always the case, infact, many part time working mothers are very happy with their situation (and not because they are misguided!) My husband doesn't assume I should do all the housework - infact, he does as much if not more than me to help around the house. I don't deny that this must be a problem for many women, but if you happen to be in a relationship with an 'unenlightened man', it's difficult to believe that there are actually many fabulous men out there who do more than their fair share of household duties. Also - I don't do a full time job for half pay. I get paid good money for the hours I work. I don't earn as much, no, but I don't work as much - that's the whole point. The picture you paint of part time workers is a very bleak one - of downtrodden, friendless, poverty stricken mugs! It couldn't be farther than the truth for me.
I work part-time, have time to study and do many of the things I wished I'd always had time to do when I was climbing the career ladder like a woman possessed. I'm in a job that keeps my skills up, earns me money, gives me a social network and an identity - yet on Friday afternoons I am not stuck on the tube rushing home from work stressing about what's for dinner (I'm usually to be found sitting in my garden with a large glass of Merlot watching DS dig up the lawn!). It's not forever. I don't intend to be a part time worker until I am old and grey. And if this few years if a more relaxed pace and the great enjoyment I get from family life means I don't climb the career ladder as lightning fast as before, so be it. It ain't my loss honey! As a mother of young children, part-time suits me perfectly, as is the case I'm sure for many of us. To me, its the BEST of both worlds.

LoveAngel · 18/05/2007 15:00

excusw typos...I'm all fired up. obviously! (wink)

Chelseamum · 18/05/2007 15:02

Mozhe,

Do you understand now after all the posts from all the lovely ladies why some of them decide to work part-time?

The explanations, reasons, justifications etc are all very clear.

It would be very rewarding to make sure that you understand know why other women choose to work part- time so I would appreciate if you could answer to this simple question.

Many thanks,

Judy1234 · 18/05/2007 15:03

LA, sounds like it works for you. I just wonder how you and your husband decided which of you would have the nice Fridays with wine on the lawn whilst the other battled it out at work. How do couples reach a fair decision on that?

Part time is not a female option and anyone that says women need it is damaging women. It's an issue for all those who would like to work part time but to assume women are the ones who want it just helps ensure women working full time who want to be promoted etc don't. It shoudl be as likely a man wants to go part time as a woman and that may become the case because now we have I think a right to ask for flexible working on new grounds - like say a husband has elderly parents he is looking after.

moz, I always did both our tax returns too.

Judy1234 · 18/05/2007 15:04

Chm, was that question - do we understand why some women (and men) choose to work part time?

Well yes I do understand in part. I think often they are misled and conditioned and wrong but I can see why they think they are doing the right thing for themselves.

LoveAngel · 18/05/2007 15:17

Xenia, I find that a bit patronising, to be honest. I am certainly not 'conditioned' or 'misled'. I count myself as a feminist, and my eyes are wide open. Of course, I clearly see that women are more often than not disadvantaged in the workplace when children come along (and let's be honest, often before children are even in the picture). But I didn't choose part-time working as a soft option while my DH 'battles it out' as you put it! He also chose a lifestyle change - going self employed rather than working for a big company who dictated his hours - so we are both able to more flexible. Yes, we are lucky in many resopects, but we are also proactive and tried to change the stuff we could change to make life easier for us both when we became parents. What exactly is a fair decision anyway? Compromise is the name of the game, here. And I mean geuine compromise

For what it's worth, I agree that flexible working hours for both mothers and fathers should be the norm. But while we're waiting or in some instances campaigning for that change to come about, I for one and going to continue enjoying part time work.

Cammelia · 18/05/2007 15:29

No, its not as political as that xenia and mohze, its simply what a lot of women want.

I, for example, have had a child very late in life and frankly would be far too exhausted to work full time (the pay would not be compensation for getting knackered to the point of illness).

So, you're probably being ageist as well as sexist.

And discriminating against part-time workers on the grounds that they work part time is illegal.

Its also a moot point what constitutes part time.

ScottishMummy · 18/05/2007 15:32

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gess · 18/05/2007 15:33

Why do Mzhe and Xenia find it so very difficult to understand that sometimes people work part time because they want (shock horror) to spend time with their children. And if they work part time they can get that time, that fix. I've read Mozhe's schedule and I'm sorry but I don't count skype telephone calls as being the same as spending time with a child. It's a poor substitute. It's not something I would want. I would only do it if I had to.

FioFio · 18/05/2007 15:34

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gess · 18/05/2007 15:35

You see if asked about contact time with my children it wouldn't even occur to me to mention a telephone call, it would be so minor, a few minutes of a day tops.

gess · 18/05/2007 15:36

You're right fio.

lucyellensmum · 18/05/2007 15:37

loveangel : it is perfectly reasonable to find Xenia's post patronising, she feels that she needs to put all us part-timers and SAHMs in our place. Its what she does for a living i think. I did start to wonder if her and mohze were one and the same, but i was wrong. Ho hum. If we all just go la la la la la la when she rants, she'll get it out of her system. Thing is, i think she regrets not spending time with her children, deep deep down.

ScottishMummy · 18/05/2007 15:39

i cant even imagine having the thought of wondering how my other NHS collegues chose to arrange their childcare - up to them

certainly would not muse and pose question either

LoveAngel · 18/05/2007 15:40

See, that's what's so sad. True feminists other women's choices. It shouldn't come down to 'full time working mum versus part time working mum'. To me, having another mother call me 'conditioned' and 'misled' is actually beyond patronising. It sounds like a particularly b*astardly sexist man talking!

LoveAngel · 18/05/2007 15:41

Sorry, mean to say, true feminists dont shoot down other womens choices!

lucyellensmum · 18/05/2007 15:43

well said love angel, this is what i have been trying to get across.

Judy1234 · 18/05/2007 15:44

I think it's useful we all see other people's points of view. I also think a lot of part time workers just don't often come into contact with full time working mothers like mozhe and I who have 5 children (and I think she's expecting a 6th) probably because most women like us are too busy to post on the internet.

LoveAngel · 18/05/2007 15:48

Xenia, that's rubbish, come on! You are creating some kind of false divide between women who work full time, those who work part time and SAHMs.

My own mother worked full time. Both of my best friends are full time working mums, as is my step sister. And in my experience - more time in the office infront of your PC means more time to abuse the internet

Cammelia · 18/05/2007 15:48

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Sorry, just had a laughing fit

yeah right xenia

FioFio · 18/05/2007 15:48

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Cammelia · 18/05/2007 15:50

get real xenia

ScottishMummy · 18/05/2007 15:52

i value all my collegues part time full time whatever

gess · 18/05/2007 15:54

pmsl @ too busy to post on the internet. A search for xenai on mumsnet returns too many posts to list.

gess · 18/05/2007 15:54

xenia even xenai produces not so many!