Sorry-another question-anyone know the sitation with midwifery via nursing route?

[Fillyjonk]

Am thinking on career options. Thought I'd do this in another thread to catch nurses/midwives. Also like the attention

Would like to be dual qualified BUT I know there was talk about a year ago of stopping post nursing qualification midwifery courses.

Anyone know if this is still the case.

Filly, honestly I don't think that official Helath experience is at all necessary no matter which route you go down....you are a mother and that in itself is a caring job, etc...!
I think being a mature student with your life experience is invaluable!

Filly - I went into nurse training after working in banking for a few years. I had absolutely no experience. Got onto the course no probs. I think that, on the whole, life experience is worth a lot more. The bursary is not means tested but only available if you do the diploma of nursing qualification. If you want to do the degree, there is no bursary but you would be entitled to student loans unlike the diploma students.

ah useful bristols...so the experience is not vital...

it just seems like an awful lot of applicants for few places though.

That's good news!

think you can get bursaries for degrees and diplomas now.

filly - sorry didn't respond earlier but answers now!

you can only be funded (bursary) for one qualification, therefore if you did nursing, completed and then did midwifery you would have to self fund. the only way to get a second nursing / midwifery qual and not pay is to have this funded through secondment from your employer.

now I'll throw another spanner in the works. You speak of doing advocacy work? how about working in learning disability or mental health nursing then?

Hi filly Im doing nursing in cardiff with sallystrawberry

you can still do the midwifery from nurse training but they like you to do a year post-reg before extending your study to midwifery. So thats a 3 year degree plus a year on the wards. There are quite a few people on our course who want to re-train as midwives. I was thinking about it until I did my maternity placement which i hated and put me off for life.

You will get a non-means tested bursary if you study in wales but england is different, theres is means tested and I'm not sure everyone is guaranteed a bursary on the degree course in england.

You can only do degrees now in Wales no diplomas.

I dont think they will stop it anytime soon, I read a report from someone in the nursing standard saying nurse-trained midwives have a better overall view of things than direct entry midwives (not my opinion something I read so no offence to anyone)

HTH, feel free to contact me if you want anymore info

every wednesday darling feet up and a nice cuppa and skim the nursing standard

hows you?

sometimes the details you know about my life scare me

sorry to hear about your dd, has she got the dreaded flu going around?

I am planning to get started seeing as we have almost 2 weeks off now, whether I get any further than planning remains to be seen

go for it filly! just apply, I bet you get on, you can apply on line you know, do it now, only takes a few mins.

maybe you could give one of the lecturers at cardif a call for a chat about your options, one nursing and one midwifery.

I'm guessing places are tighter for midwifery than nursing and there is very little work experience you can get for being a midwife, without beig one, so I think you'll be alright.

You will defo get on nursing course, they will have anyone

Hi i am waiting to hear if i have got on to a midwifery course! my plan is if i dont get it i will apply to nursing. I am terrified to find out if ive got in. Tip, i have a job working bank as a nursing assistant that is really easy to get, which bumps up your chances to get in as it means you have care experience!

no can't fact mental health or ld nursing

cos, IMO and IME-(and NOT sure how to word this on an application form) people with ld and MHP are routinely and institutionally treated like shite by the system and those within it. There are some great small anti-treating like shite projects, eg 4winds in cardiff, but bascially-the whole situation depresses the feck out of me. Which is why I left, tbh. To get people treated with a little respect, IMO, took soooo much wearing fighting all the time.

People know the buzz words and use them, which is good except that its just to conceal the same contempteous attitude a lot of the time. When I was working (for OHT if anyone knows it), a good percentage of the staff were from the asylums, with all the attitudes that went with it. No about of awareness training could wipe that out of them, it was utterly ingrained.

But am remembering a couple of really good community mental health nurses who wrote med reports and stuff.

I need to find out more about nursing.

Do you think my St John's Ambulance plan is a good one? It would enable me to see if I really like helping people not to be in pain.

Yes I think I shall go for it.

mummy911 please say how to get one of these jobs on the nursing bank

thats true, you could ask at cardif if they would allow you to swap from adult to midwifery after a year (the common foundation programe as it is known at most uni'S) I don't think my uni did but some might, and you could esily arrange some work experience on mat ward while in first year of nursing, in your spare time of course.

(although not sure if spare time really exsists anymore?)

post reg MW trainining still available after Adult branch usually as a secondment

Fillyjonk you just go on your local hospitals(where you want to work) website and there should be a link from there.In my area they are in demand and i think its a very similar situation everywhere, I filled i my application at about 12 one night and i had been sent an email with a interview date by the time i got up!
good luck

ah have tried nursing bank, mummy911

nowt for the hours I need (nights and w/ends)

rather

brainwave though-will try other local areas

Hi Filly

if you are serious about pursuing nursing/and or MW career i suggest u phone ur local uni ask bout open days and visits/career presentations

try get HCA work

read up on contemporary issues in health care eg clinical governance, maintaining CPD folder, different roles community, Hospital etc

IMO Doula is not a particularly well structured career and certainly does not holistically serve all pregnant women (as u have to pay) so obviously this excludes poor women. Meaning ur client base will reflect a specific social strata eg middle class prosperous able to afford doula

It is not really a professional career in terms of regulation, code of ethics, maintenance of clinical standards, and mosst importantly career progression as a doula is non existent - its not like u become doula team leader or specialise in community doula or scbu doula

also as a doula its not much recognised and certainly not in NHS - so consider conventional healthcare careers

consider
speech and language therapy
Occupational Therapy

Wow, just looked into Occupational Therapy and at the nearest Uni offering the course...and...hm...sounds like something really interesting to do
I know the post was for filly....but thanks anyway