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Forever Living !! Want to know how to register and file tax

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gg1234 · 13/02/2015 00:58

Hi

Has anyone done forever living here .I am confused about the registration process .You register as sole traderor company Ltd and if yes do you have to register your company too under any Act.How does it works let me know

Thanks

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swisscheesetony · 28/08/2015 12:03

Let's just take a look at the very phrase:

"multi-level marketing"

Could you grab a pen and paper and attempt to DRAW what that might look like?

Is it kind of pointy at the top?

JanineMelnitzGlasses · 28/08/2015 12:05

Exactly swisscheesetony therein lies the problem.

lazycoo · 28/08/2015 13:03

seryn2ann ummm... the reason people are negative about it is because it's a con. They're conning you and they're going to set you up as a drone to go and con others. Happy with that are you?

There are loads of threads on the money matters forum which can help you see this for what it is. If you go along with this, at best you'll lose £200, at worst you'll lose way more money (being your own best customer, training days, living the dream, faking it til you make it, smashing it with your team on nights out), a whole load of time and possibly a lot of friends along the way.

Seryn2ann · 28/08/2015 13:29

How r u so sure it's s con? Do u know that the job centre are now working with forever living offers people a business set up grant to start there business? How is being in work, working for a living, supporting ur family a con? The world is full of sales. It's just yes or no simple as that.

lazycoo · 28/08/2015 13:54

Have a read of the threads in money matters 'FLbot watch' and 'FL thread 3' (which has links to threads 1 and 2), that should answer your query about why I'm so sure - I'm not going over it all again here. It's not an answer to say that I need to be sure it's not a con - I'm not 'investing'. How are you so sure it's not? You've been tipped off - go and do your research and quit with all this 'don't rain on my parade' nonsense.

The jobcentre link if true gives them absolutely no credibility in my eyes. The government will do anything to get unemployed people off their books.

And it's never just a no, is it? The FLbots are trained to not accept a no, but to keep revisiting and pestering people to see if they've changed their minds. It might be that they're telling you it's no pressure now just to sign you up. Hence why you'll lose friends.

Good luck to you.

JanetBlyton · 28/08/2015 13:59

I was more interested in the limited company issue. Do people have to form a limited company if they are FL distributors or can they be sole traders?

lougle · 28/08/2015 14:44

Here it is in picture form: If every FL distributor recruits 6 people to their team, By the time they are 11 layers of management up, there's no-one else to recruit in the entire world. Remember that in order to make money you have to sell product. You can't sell product to people who sell the product themselves!

Forever Living !! Want to know how to register and file tax
Seryn2ann · 28/08/2015 16:29

Lazy coo I'm not sure it's not a con, but I'm one of them people who like to make up my own mind from my experience instead of listening to what others have to say. Some people don't believe in ufo's or Father Christmas, that doesn't mean I don't believe. and in regards to the job centre thing, yes they'll do anything to get ppl off their books, and they're using the tax payers money to do it, to find people's FL businesses - u money! (That is if ur working of course)
In regards to the pyramid lougel yes ur right u need ppl to sell to, so in my eyes I'm going to get on board whilst there's still time, and if I make money off it for 6 months a year, whatever then at least I made money whilst I cud.

dynevoran · 28/08/2015 16:42

You believe in father Christmas? I'm not convinced!

swisscheesetony · 28/08/2015 17:07

I actually very recently worked as a consultant at the job centre for people starting their own businesses (NEA scheme). I have to "sign off" business plans as being viable. There is no way on god's green earth I'd have signed off a pyramid scheme!

Seryn2ann · 28/08/2015 18:51

I don't as a consultant us have the authority to say wat goes, it's an incentive being lead by the job centre, google it!

JanineMelnitzGlasses · 28/08/2015 19:04

Nope, just googled it (forever living jobcentre plus) and nothing came up. The NEA did though.

stopfaffing · 28/08/2015 19:10

OP, if you can afford to lose £200 and are happy to pressurise your family, friends, neighbours, colleagues, anyone else you vaguely know (you will be encouraged to compile a hot list of every single person you have ever known, however briefly, in your life and badger them again and again) through the medium of facebook, phone calls, personal chats etc., then off you go.

Please do report back to us when it all goes pear-shaped, as it inevitably does for the vast majority of people who get involved in MLMs, and it won't be for lack of trying either. It's just impossible to sustain for a long period.

If you've got a few minutes, have a look at these threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/2437667-MLM-bot-watch-FL-Juice-Plus-Younique-etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/2446930-FL-MLM-Thread-3

Seryn2ann · 28/08/2015 19:16

I don't mind how long it's sustainably for, it's just some extra money whilst u can get it. I have seen some people who have hounded family, friends etc. this will not be me. I will sell only to people who ask. And am going to local events etc so will be talking to practical strangers. It was wat u make of it and I've blocked my own 'friend' who hounded me. But like I said I intend for this to not be me, wish me luck :-)

stopfaffing · 28/08/2015 19:22

And another thing, normally if you set up a business you don't want to encourage competition because you want as many people to buy from your business as possible. Competition gets in the way of this and it means you have to price your goods more competitively.

However, with all MLM companies (including Forever Living) the emphasis is on recruiting other agents rather than selling the goods. That's because it is the agents you recruit (your downliners) who actually make you money. You in turn are making money for the upliner (the person who recruited you). Another portion of the money you bring in goes further up the chain and so on. That's why the further up the chain you are, the more money you 'make' (from the downliners). But it's not sustainable.

That is why you won't be allowed to price the fl goods the way you want, you won't be allowed to sell them where you want (in shops for example) and you will be expected to spend a significant amount of money every month to buy the goods for yourself. You will also be expected to attend launches, training days and weekends and fund all the expenses yourself. (So much for spending more time with your kids).

OP, you don't know the half of it, but please, please have a read through the two threads I linked to above. You will save yourself a lot of heartache.

lougle · 28/08/2015 19:29

Seryn, don't you care that you will be lying to desperate people who think that this is a viable and sustainable income source?

Seryn2ann · 28/08/2015 20:14

I wasn't planning on lying to anybody. Maybe I'm wrong, I duno but I want to try. il post back in a month.

MrsToddsShortcut · 28/08/2015 20:41

Out of interest (particularly Crofty who made these claims further up the thread) can anybody link to any peer reviewed evidence/research that FL products can indeed have a hugely beneficial effect on Chrohns and Coelic disease?

There is a FL representative who regularly sells at the hospital where I work (which in itself makes me deeply uneasy) and I asked her where I could find any such evidence. Not only did she look at me as though I was speaking Martian, but when I later checked the FL website, i couldn't find any research links at all. Just a load of vague unsubstantiated fluff about how Aloe Vera was 'good for you'.

I am happy to be proven wrong btw.

quangotango · 29/08/2015 02:00

there isn't any - except that aloe vera is mildly soothing on enflamed skin when applied topically. You can buy it for a quarter if the FL price in Boot.

rollercoasterchicken · 29/08/2015 02:20

load of pish

lazycoo · 29/08/2015 08:06

It's not about aloe vera, none of these 'legal' pyramid schemes are about the product, how else could you explain the fact the system is engineered to ensure reps can't sell in shops? You're not supposed to actually sell say 100 bottles to 100 people. Instead you're supposed to sell say 50 to yourself (become your own best customer, 'believe in the product', gain credits - an expensive con) and another 50 to a few people via selling them 'a business'. You'll sell the odd bottle to your mum in the hope you'll get her to become your downline too but all the time you'll waste money buying stock for consumption yourself (which is strongly encouraged), going on training courses (success days), not to mention the time and expense of travelling and meeting potential marks. When you quit you'll be made to believe you failed in spite of a perfect system, but the system was against you from the outset.

trinitybleu · 29/08/2015 08:33

Once again I just want to make sure the point is made that not all MLM's are the same. I get no sign up bonus for new team members, all my sales are to non family and close friends, I don't badger people and I am under absolutely no pressure to buy myself or attend any training days.

stopfaffing · 29/08/2015 08:50

Well, if that's true Trinity then you're the exception to the rule because there is overwhelming evidence to which proves otherwise where's eyespying Wink .

lazycoo · 29/08/2015 08:58

Trinity perhaps the more accurate distinction is not all MLM sellers are the same. There's plenty of stories out there to counter your assertions that younique is benign.

trinitybleu · 29/08/2015 08:59

I believe it is unusual, but I did my research before I signed up. I couldn't work for FL.

(Eyespying thinks most or some = everyone or absolute FACT!)