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Hellish returning to work experience please read and tell me what you think!

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MoJo5 · 07/02/2011 18:25

My 'return to work' experience in Nov 2010, after two years of bringing up ds (2yrs) was a nasty shock and something I find very hard to put behind me.

People have encouraged me to write about it.

Just to put you in the picture I loved the last job that I had. Unfortunately it went into administration while I was on maternity leave with ds in 2008.

Before that I had worked for 10 years in the BBC. I have had exciting and interesting work most of my life and it was a shock to suddenly be a ftm to dd (6yrs) and ds (2yrs). I am 39yrs old.

I heard of the job (A PA and Office Manager) through a friend whom I had met when I was on postnatal classes with dd. She was a friend of the Chief Executive of the company (the guy who would be my boss if I got the job). He was looking for a PA.

I hesitated at first because as a trained journalist I have no PA experience and I was not sure if the job was for me.

However I was restless to return to work. I felt frustrated at being a ftm and I thought it would be a good step back to work after taking two yrs out to raise ds. I also have lots of transferable skills that I felt would help me on the job.

After an introduction to the Chief Executive from my friend via email and having sent my CV to him, to my surprise I got an interview!

In the interview with the Chief Executive I was honest and frank about my abilities and truthfully asked him, if given the job, for a few weeks to ''settle in'' in order to learn the job effectively. He agreed with me, seemed amiable and I honestly felt I could work with the guy. He assured me that he felt I could do the job and when he asked: "What salary do you want?" and then "When can you start?" I was jumping with joy!

I had a week to go from ftm to a 40 hr working week! I rushed to organise breakfast and after school club for ds, nursery and childminders for dd, had a fab hair cut, spent money on new shoes and an expensive new bag and before I had a minute to register what was happening and with my job contract signed for a perm job, my first day of employment arrived!

I waited outside the office at 9am(as specified on my contract) in the pouring rain. I had no keys. No one arrived to let me in until 9.40am!

Once everybody had arrived nobody in the office spoke to me. I mean it. Nobody opened the mouth once. They all communicated to each other through Skype messages. There were no telephones on the desks. Yes, within the office, even sat next to each other, colleagues messaged work related 'messages' to each other on Skype 'team chat' and non work related messages to each other on Skype 'London chat.'

I was not explained a thing and I had no written or spoken handover and no training. I wasn't introduced to anyone and not one person approached me. They all sat silently at their desks not flinching from 9am to 6pm.

The previous PA, I soon discovered, had been my boss's wife. She had come in to do the job one or two days a week for the past 5 months.

My boss sat directly opposite me and on the first day he gave me his email login and told me to reduce his emails from 1,000 to none! I didn't have a clue!

I was not only PA to my boss but also to the part time Finance Manager who came in only two days a week and was 6 months pregnant and she was not going to be replaced when she went off on Maternity Leave. I was also PA to the co-founder of the company. He was situated in Scotland and I never met him.

The only other woman in the company was a lesbian She went off on maternity leave the week after I started work as her 'wife' had given birth to twins!

On my second day of employment my boss informed me that he was going to the US that afternoon for a week.

Once there he emailed me loads of meetings to arrange all of them I was supposed to somehow know he wanted in English time not in US time on his Google Calendar. (I had not been trained on Google Calendar and I had about five mins to understand it.) I didn't even know if he had already met these people or how he wanted to meet them. I only had their email addresses. Not even their full names.

On the third day of employment (with boss in the US) I had to become a fire-warden and organise the office fire-evacuation. Hmm

On the fourth day I was asked to fix the problems of the blocked toilets. Shock

The last day of my first week in employment I arrived at the office to discover that no one else was coming in. I was on my own all day in the huge office.

It got worse. On the second day of the second week after returning from the US my boss sent me another "catch up" invitation on Google Calendar. How strange to send an electronic invitation when seated opposite someone I thought. However I proceeded to ''accept invitation'' and at the specified time I went to a room where my boss informed me: "the pressure will get much worse" and he said he could give me: "more work now" but that I would "buckle!" Shock

After a month of the same silent atmosphere I began to feel desperately unhappy and paranoid that people were being hostile on purpose. When I rustled a plastic bag as I left the office one day I was angrily reprimanded Angry and told to "Shhhhhhh!"

One day at lunch my colleagues posted a soup menu on my Skype 'team chat' and preceded to 'chat' about their soup choices they wanted me to buy them. My boss would do the same, typing out his soup choice for me to go out the office and buy. He threw a fiver across the desk to me without raising his eyes to meet mine. I felt anonymous.

The final straw came after a month when the boss's wife phoned me to go to Oxford Circus the next morning to buy 15 picture frames oh and A4 size. Not easy in the Christmas rush and anyway alarm bells were ringing I just knew something was up.

I arrived exhausted in the office with the picture frames and like Cruella de Vil my boss's wife stood waiting for me. It was the second time I had met her and I wondered what she was doing in the office. She glanced nervously at me, pulled out the picture frames and told me they were the wrong size. The shop assistant insisted they were A4 size and they had looked that to me.Sad.

The atmosphere after a month was worse than ever. I sat at my desk and decided to give my boss a taste of his own medicine and for the first tme sent him a "catch up" message. He quickly "accepted" and before I knew it I was sat in a meeting room with my boss and his wife.

"You're not going to like what I am going to say," he said. My heart sunk. I had tried so hard in this job and had felt alone from the start. I was in shock. To my knowledge it was obvious I was not happy in the job but hey who can wonder why?

"We are not going to renew your trial period," he said " and normally it is a 2 month trial period and a 2 week notice period but if you want you can leave now." Shock

"Why?" I stuttered. "Please tell me why?" I was fed up. I had given so much to trying my best and I felt they had done nothing to help me settle in, learn the job or support me after two years away from work. I don't expect to be spoon-fed but especially after being truthful about my situation in the interview I did expect some form of induction and training that I never ever got.

My boss's wife started to speak and he told her to "shut up." I insisted: "Let her speak, after all you have called her in to dismiss me!"

And that was it. He refused to give me any explanation and after several attempts to find out some reason he said he just wanted to "draw a line under." With that I went back to my desk. My boss stood over me while I started to close my systems and asked: "What are you doing?" I was so indignant I shouted out: "Why, are you going to stand over me and watch me while I get all my stuff together?"

So that is it. After a month in employment, my first job after giving birth to my son two years earlier and since my last full time job, and I was literally shown the door.

How do I move on from a situation like that please? As you can imagine I feel hurt and angry about this last experience. Also back to being a ftm I feel so frustrated. I want to work again but I feel so confused.

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Violethill · 07/02/2011 18:57

OMG this sounds like an absolutely awful set up!

My advice is, cut your losses, you are well off out of it. It sounds as though the boss has his wife poking her beak in various decisions (but not actually doing any of the work) and clearly he has no idea how to fun his business anyway.

You should have had proper induction and a clear job description.

My suggestion would be to put your journalist hat back on, write up your nightmare experience (it does sound hilarious in an awful sort of way!) and send it off to various publications. That would be a way of drawing a firm line under it.

And then apply for more jobs. Not all jobs are like that - honest!

Violethill · 07/02/2011 18:58

whoops - run his business!

HerNameIsNoelle · 07/02/2011 19:05

Hi MoJo, sorry you had such an awful experience. From what you've said, i think that you did nothing wrong and made the best you could of a really difficult situation. I think the biggest problem there was the husband/wife situation, and i doubt any of the others were particularly happy in that environment, which is why they had all retreated.
Please don't feel put off work altogether, obviously you have a great work ethic and lasted much longer than most other people would have done. The fact that you were there only a short time means it would have no effect on your CV, you could even leave it out altogether and forget it ever happened.
I'd say next time avoid recommendations or contacts from friends, you have what sounds like enough experience and skills to stand on your own merit, so do your own job hunt and go for something that you actually want to do.
I hope writing all that down was cathartic for you, i think you can see that it was their problem not your's at all.

hairylights · 07/02/2011 19:07

It sounds really, really awful.

Sounds like a terrible company.

But I also think that what comes through in your story is that you aren't suited to working in a small firm (rather than a corporation like the BBC) nor as a PA (I ssay that as an ex PA, now CEO).

Intrigued to know if you've found other work since?

felicity10 · 07/02/2011 20:22

Give yourself a break. Appreciate that you might not have done PA work before, but if you're like any journalist or indeed mother I know, then you have no doubt that you could organise his diary.

Did this job have a job description? Take a look at it, were all the tasks you describe above on it...I somehow doubt it. Sounds a bizarre set up.

So, brush yourself down and find another more civilised company where you will be valued. I'm taking a break as a sahm at the moment and I dread this sort of experience ahead of me, must have been horrid. You expect to be the new girl with all that that entails etc., but this was a strange set up, don't let it doubt your own confidence.

Good luck.

Simic · 07/02/2011 21:36

How bizarre! Wow! They all sound really mad. Start afresh and there surely can´t be another company as mad as that in the world???!!!

MirandaGoshawk · 07/02/2011 21:47

They sound bonkers. It's not you, it's them.

I went from being a FT PA to being a FT mum of twins @ age 34, having to rely on DH for the first time for money. It makes you feel as if you've got cotton-wool in your head, and completely knocks your confidence for any type of job. But I'm sure if you'd been eased gently into a 'normal' job, with a 'normal' bunch of people who actually talk to each other and had been a bit supportive/shown you the ropes you'd have been totally fine. You know that, don't you? This lot sound like a bunch of robots.

Forget them, dust yourself down, and start again.

earwicga · 07/02/2011 21:54

Count your blessings you got out after a month. My first paid work after children lasted a lot longer, was utterly awful and left me with two years mental ill health.

Apply for jobs to which you are suited, or re-train.

thefairies · 07/02/2011 23:37

You should definitely write about your horrific experiences back at work - do offices/bosses/colleagues like that really exist? They sound like a total bunch of nutters!
Use your journalism brain and turn it into a sketch maybe?! Or, dare I suggest, a Daily Mail article. They will love all the detail and probably turn it into a mum who went back to work too early piece... the price she paid (hah hah!)...
In all seriousness though, don't let this experience grind you down. As a journalist you know all about tenacity and staying power.If you really want a job, go for it! There are lots of journo jobs on gorkano - that's where I found my new ft (journo) job after 7+years as a SAHM.
Good luck!

MoJo5 · 08/02/2011 17:37

Thanks so much for your messages. I only joined mumsnet to write this thread. I can't believe what a cathartic experience it was to write this down and get feedback from you guys. You are great. Yes, I find myself at a crossroads. Desperate to work, not sure which way to go (journalism is so hard to get back into I worked for the BBC World Service and they have just announced 25 percent job cuts!)

I'm so confused Confused I really don't know what to do next. I love lots of things but don't know if I should retrain now or stay on the journalism path. It is horrible because I so want to return to work. I'm scared that in another ten years time I will be in the same boat because I find it hard to job search when I'm in this confused stage. It is really getting me down. Sad I love my kids to bits but it just seems that everyone I know is doing something else interesting in their lives apart from being a sahm.

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lizzytee · 08/02/2011 18:01

MoJo, this experience is in the 'couldn't make it up' category. I think the problem with totally batshit work situations is that a sensible responsible person is inclined to think "no really, it can't be this bad, I must be missing something..." when it really is this bad.

I can't give you advice about looking for paid work ( I work in a different industry) but have you considered volunteering as a way to do something that isn't childrearing and gives you a way to use your (probably admirable) skills? I had never done voluntary work before having my daughter and have got lots out of it - try NCT if it's active in your area as you can guarantee that you will meet other parents facing similar dilemmas. Just a thought.

GettinTrimmer · 08/02/2011 21:11

Mojo, that is an awful experience Sad

13 years ago I was hired as a secretary by a company who manufactured and sold cameras. I was there for a week and a half.

They would take letters I had typed to the boss saying they weren't good enough instead of passing them back to me - on one of them I'd left a full stop off the end of a sentence, on another typed 'the company' with a lower case c and they wanted an upper case C, all very little things. I was told by the boss they just kept complaining about me, there was no induction of any sort, no handover. They told me it was a mistake to employ me, as I hadn't been a secretary before. It knocked my confidence when this happened to me, so I can appreciate that this was hideous.

Anyway - it sounds like the boss's wife was perhaps threatened by you (bet she's never had jobs as interesting and stimulating as you've had!) so decided you couldn't stay, he was unable to give you a reason why he was finishing your employment because he can't say his wife has a problem. Awful job anyway by the sound of it.

You need some careers' advice, maybe go back to basics and look up psychometric tests (sp?), I know that NextStep the government careers' service have these, or there was a guy on mumsnet ages ago called Nic Paton who gave careers' advice, he has a book published with helpful tips on retraining for a career, I'll look out what it's called.

GettinTrimmer · 08/02/2011 21:22

Mojo, this is the webchat with Nic Paton here

SlightlyJaded · 08/02/2011 22:23

You do know don't you, that the other staff there are actually jealous you were shown the door? Nobody is so twisted that they actually want to work in an environment like that. Clearly there is a deep seated culture of fear and conformity there and thank goodness you escaped.

It is in no way representative of a 'normal' work environment.

I am like you - similar age and have worked my whole life in broadcast tv/film. My old job is just not compatible with parenting and i am now looking to go back to work as 'something else'.

Even though i am desperate to go back to work, nothing is worth that kind of unhappiness.

Hang in there.

MoJo5 · 08/02/2011 23:24

Thanks GettinTrimmer that nic paton link is great. There is even advice there about going into freelance writing which I am considering. (I may even see if I can contact him to talk to him about it) And thanks also thefairies for the gorkano website tip. A quick look at it gives me some inspiration! And slightlyjaded it is so good to know there are other people like me. Sometimes it is very easy to feel alone in this situation. U am reluctant to do voluntary work because of the costs of putting my son into childcare. Not cheap if I'm not going to be earning. My hub is at work all day and most weekends. I speak fluent Spanish and pretty fluent French too. Crazy. I feel I have so many skills, energy and passion to work and yet at a traffic light that won't change right now. I must say though that with your comments of support it is helping me so much to deal with this situation. My dh would not have a clue if I tried to explain to him how mumsnet can help give back a trickle of confidence after such a horrible back to work experience. His comment to me was ''shame you couldn't have kept the job for 6 months it was a good salary!" When I told him I wanted to write it down he said: "Why would you want to do that?" Hmm

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lizzytee · 09/02/2011 04:06

Hi, Mojo, just to clarify, I was suggesting voluntary work that doesn't require putting your ds in childcare - hence NCT. Glad MN has made you feel a bit better about it though. X

MungBeans · 09/02/2011 07:23

What an awful experience! Sounds like you made a lucky escape. I hope you find something you enjoy and where you're appreciated.

ellina · 09/02/2011 18:30

What a terrible place. I worked as a PA for quite a lot of years. I came across a couple of jobs quite similar to this. The only thing you can do is get out fast - which I did on two occasions.

There's a reason some PAs bite your head off when you approach them. You have to constantly defend yourself from ridiculous requests (like getting soup for everyone).

I would say there's probably more to it with the husband and wife situation. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a series of other PAs had not worked out for him, hence his wife stepping in.

I hope you find something better soon. Just to say it's not you, it's them.

MoJo5 · 09/02/2011 19:28

Thanks ellina. Before his wife the last PA lasted 6 months. I don't know before that!!!
I'm thinking around a varous type of things now.. TEFLE (teaching English), Journalism? Do I go back to that path and take up a home course to teach me to sell my work (200 quid) or just use my skills I learnt on my Masters in Journalism and plunge forward to pitch to Editors? Do I look for any jobs that I think I may be suited? it makes job searching so hard when one is confused. MN is brill thanks for all your support. Hub not back till 9pm or later today, ds been sick twice today and now he and dd are both in their pyjams. Better go!

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ellina · 09/02/2011 22:30

The fact that the rest of the office behave like that tells you it's not a healthy style of management coming from the top. God, imagine being his wife!

Maybe take a step back and give yourself some time to think, when you're feeling better. Then you'll get your confidence back.

I don't know much about journalism. How do people sell stories like these - which you often see in the Sunday papers? It is a good idea to build on what you're good at.

I'm more maths orientated, so am going down a bookkeeping route.

Have thought of TEFL before. Could be good?

If you're at all interested in health, there are some on the job courses you can do - with part-time study, sometimes fees paid. Things like Occupational Therapy, Pharmacy Assistant, Operating Theatre Technician and something involving hearts but I can't remember the name of - involves doing ECGs but a lot more to it. See NHS jobs to see training opportunities.

One thing I would say is that being self employed is so much nicer. This year for the first time ever I had 10 days off at Xmas. I had 3 weeks off in the summer holidays. I work with someone else and we got rid of a client we couldn't stand working with. It's very liberating.

I'm honestly thinking of steering my dc away from traditional professions to go for something where they can be self employed.

Hope your little one's ok. Best wishes.

MoJo5 · 10/02/2011 22:50

Thanks all. Thanks for your understanding, empathy and advice. It really is helping!

Also Spring is approaching. I am not going to rush into anything rash but will pace myself and give myself time to think and relax and not panic about never finding work again and being a sahm for the rest of my life! (Thanks Ellina sometimes taking a step back is the right thing to do..(Maybe see out Feb??)

Then I should get applying for all jobs I think I'm suited and do my writing after all I have always wanted to do that. And in the mean time look to see if there is any voluntary work that I would be interested in.

Only women could think of something like MN.. what a good idea. I'm a fan already!Smile

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Booklover · 12/02/2011 22:51

Hey MoJo5,

I am so glad you posted your message and I must admit that quite a few parts of your description just felt like the job I started last year and left after 2.5 months (I still don't know how I managed to last that long). It was the same job description, like you I had no hand over, no training, no contract, the girl before me (as I learned later) lasted 6 weeks in the job. There was no conversation either between the boss, me and third person and the way he treated me was just unbelievable. Just like you I was left alone all the time without knowing what I had to do but was expected to run everything from day one and "use my imagination". Just like you I actually really liked the guy in the interview and thought we would work well together. I still wonder whether we did work for the same company but yours sounds bigger, there were only 3 people in our office. All I can say is: Try to move on, it is a shame that we both had such a bad experience after returning back to work, which is never easy anyway. I still have not found a part time job that I can fit around my children but I am now doing translation work and have started another course at university. I think we both had a very lucky escape! Staing in such a bad job just makes you very very unhappy and that will eventually make you unhappy in your personal life. Good luck with everything and please do not think that any of this is your fault, because that is how I felt last year and I really don't think that is the case at all now!

MoJo5 · 13/02/2011 23:26

So great to here from you booklover. Amazing that you shared a similar experience. Funny but at times there were only 3 people in the office I worked at as so many people worked from home. Wouldn't it be funny if it was the same company? Shock

I am going to write up this experience and see if I can get it published. It seems more common thread work behaviour than I had realised. It is not just a form of bullying but blatant impoliteness. It doesn't hurt to say hello and goodbye to the person working for you, if nothing else!

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Booklover · 15/02/2011 09:56

Hi Mojo,

Yes, it is a good idea to write a book about it, especially with your background. The company I worked for was a marketing company, if yours was too, I will contact you privately and reveal the name;-) I must admit they said hello and goodbye to me but that was pretty much it........I read an article yesterday about someone who survived a terrible illness and he said he just focusses on his future now and the good things in his past, the bad things from the past are just forgotten as they can't be changed anyway...That's the way to go I think although an experience like that makes you more scared staring a new job, don't you think?

Lots of love to you and good luck with your book!

greenlotus · 15/02/2011 12:53

I was just going to say you are clearly a good journalist because of how interesting your post was to read! It could go straight into a column in the Metro. You are well out of that place Hmm.