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Hellish returning to work experience please read and tell me what you think!

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MoJo5 · 07/02/2011 18:25

My 'return to work' experience in Nov 2010, after two years of bringing up ds (2yrs) was a nasty shock and something I find very hard to put behind me.

People have encouraged me to write about it.

Just to put you in the picture I loved the last job that I had. Unfortunately it went into administration while I was on maternity leave with ds in 2008.

Before that I had worked for 10 years in the BBC. I have had exciting and interesting work most of my life and it was a shock to suddenly be a ftm to dd (6yrs) and ds (2yrs). I am 39yrs old.

I heard of the job (A PA and Office Manager) through a friend whom I had met when I was on postnatal classes with dd. She was a friend of the Chief Executive of the company (the guy who would be my boss if I got the job). He was looking for a PA.

I hesitated at first because as a trained journalist I have no PA experience and I was not sure if the job was for me.

However I was restless to return to work. I felt frustrated at being a ftm and I thought it would be a good step back to work after taking two yrs out to raise ds. I also have lots of transferable skills that I felt would help me on the job.

After an introduction to the Chief Executive from my friend via email and having sent my CV to him, to my surprise I got an interview!

In the interview with the Chief Executive I was honest and frank about my abilities and truthfully asked him, if given the job, for a few weeks to ''settle in'' in order to learn the job effectively. He agreed with me, seemed amiable and I honestly felt I could work with the guy. He assured me that he felt I could do the job and when he asked: "What salary do you want?" and then "When can you start?" I was jumping with joy!

I had a week to go from ftm to a 40 hr working week! I rushed to organise breakfast and after school club for ds, nursery and childminders for dd, had a fab hair cut, spent money on new shoes and an expensive new bag and before I had a minute to register what was happening and with my job contract signed for a perm job, my first day of employment arrived!

I waited outside the office at 9am(as specified on my contract) in the pouring rain. I had no keys. No one arrived to let me in until 9.40am!

Once everybody had arrived nobody in the office spoke to me. I mean it. Nobody opened the mouth once. They all communicated to each other through Skype messages. There were no telephones on the desks. Yes, within the office, even sat next to each other, colleagues messaged work related 'messages' to each other on Skype 'team chat' and non work related messages to each other on Skype 'London chat.'

I was not explained a thing and I had no written or spoken handover and no training. I wasn't introduced to anyone and not one person approached me. They all sat silently at their desks not flinching from 9am to 6pm.

The previous PA, I soon discovered, had been my boss's wife. She had come in to do the job one or two days a week for the past 5 months.

My boss sat directly opposite me and on the first day he gave me his email login and told me to reduce his emails from 1,000 to none! I didn't have a clue!

I was not only PA to my boss but also to the part time Finance Manager who came in only two days a week and was 6 months pregnant and she was not going to be replaced when she went off on Maternity Leave. I was also PA to the co-founder of the company. He was situated in Scotland and I never met him.

The only other woman in the company was a lesbian She went off on maternity leave the week after I started work as her 'wife' had given birth to twins!

On my second day of employment my boss informed me that he was going to the US that afternoon for a week.

Once there he emailed me loads of meetings to arrange all of them I was supposed to somehow know he wanted in English time not in US time on his Google Calendar. (I had not been trained on Google Calendar and I had about five mins to understand it.) I didn't even know if he had already met these people or how he wanted to meet them. I only had their email addresses. Not even their full names.

On the third day of employment (with boss in the US) I had to become a fire-warden and organise the office fire-evacuation. Hmm

On the fourth day I was asked to fix the problems of the blocked toilets. Shock

The last day of my first week in employment I arrived at the office to discover that no one else was coming in. I was on my own all day in the huge office.

It got worse. On the second day of the second week after returning from the US my boss sent me another "catch up" invitation on Google Calendar. How strange to send an electronic invitation when seated opposite someone I thought. However I proceeded to ''accept invitation'' and at the specified time I went to a room where my boss informed me: "the pressure will get much worse" and he said he could give me: "more work now" but that I would "buckle!" Shock

After a month of the same silent atmosphere I began to feel desperately unhappy and paranoid that people were being hostile on purpose. When I rustled a plastic bag as I left the office one day I was angrily reprimanded Angry and told to "Shhhhhhh!"

One day at lunch my colleagues posted a soup menu on my Skype 'team chat' and preceded to 'chat' about their soup choices they wanted me to buy them. My boss would do the same, typing out his soup choice for me to go out the office and buy. He threw a fiver across the desk to me without raising his eyes to meet mine. I felt anonymous.

The final straw came after a month when the boss's wife phoned me to go to Oxford Circus the next morning to buy 15 picture frames oh and A4 size. Not easy in the Christmas rush and anyway alarm bells were ringing I just knew something was up.

I arrived exhausted in the office with the picture frames and like Cruella de Vil my boss's wife stood waiting for me. It was the second time I had met her and I wondered what she was doing in the office. She glanced nervously at me, pulled out the picture frames and told me they were the wrong size. The shop assistant insisted they were A4 size and they had looked that to me.Sad.

The atmosphere after a month was worse than ever. I sat at my desk and decided to give my boss a taste of his own medicine and for the first tme sent him a "catch up" message. He quickly "accepted" and before I knew it I was sat in a meeting room with my boss and his wife.

"You're not going to like what I am going to say," he said. My heart sunk. I had tried so hard in this job and had felt alone from the start. I was in shock. To my knowledge it was obvious I was not happy in the job but hey who can wonder why?

"We are not going to renew your trial period," he said " and normally it is a 2 month trial period and a 2 week notice period but if you want you can leave now." Shock

"Why?" I stuttered. "Please tell me why?" I was fed up. I had given so much to trying my best and I felt they had done nothing to help me settle in, learn the job or support me after two years away from work. I don't expect to be spoon-fed but especially after being truthful about my situation in the interview I did expect some form of induction and training that I never ever got.

My boss's wife started to speak and he told her to "shut up." I insisted: "Let her speak, after all you have called her in to dismiss me!"

And that was it. He refused to give me any explanation and after several attempts to find out some reason he said he just wanted to "draw a line under." With that I went back to my desk. My boss stood over me while I started to close my systems and asked: "What are you doing?" I was so indignant I shouted out: "Why, are you going to stand over me and watch me while I get all my stuff together?"

So that is it. After a month in employment, my first job after giving birth to my son two years earlier and since my last full time job, and I was literally shown the door.

How do I move on from a situation like that please? As you can imagine I feel hurt and angry about this last experience. Also back to being a ftm I feel so frustrated. I want to work again but I feel so confused.

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MoJo5 · 15/02/2011 23:35

Wasn't thinking of a book.. more an article for a newspaper or fitting magazine..ha ha.. but if I get that published then maybe onto the bigger picture after !!! I'm still feeling very confused and frustrated as a sahm but I've been busy (and creative) with kids for a while. I'm taking a bit of time out to get over my lousy cold and gather my thoughts and strength together. Will keep all you lovely people posted!

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MungBeans · 17/02/2011 11:49

Yes, it would make an interesting article. I'd leave the bit about your colleague's sexual orientation out though - her being a lesbian wasn't really relevant (unless I'm missing something). And maybe refer to her partner as her partner, not her 'wife'.

Not trying to pick a fight...but it did niggle me when I first ready your post and if you're thinking of publishing I think you should re-think that part. Smile

GrendelsMum · 17/02/2011 14:26

I think there's a mixture of some very poor practice here, together with a working culture that didn't suit you. Was it a software company, by any chance?

I've worked in offices where everything is done by Skype / Google Calendar and there are no phones. It works very well for many people (I love it), but it sounds like you're much more of a 'people person', and didn't work at all for you.

Many of jobs you were asked to do sound to me fairly standard for an administrator in a small company - but, as you say, the major issue was that there was no hand over and no guidance documents. Even if you were an experienced PA, you would have needed that handover and induction period.

It sounds to me as though the boss was naive about what he'd need to put in to hiring a PA, and you've been the one that's suffered from it. I can see it from both sides, as my DH runs a small company, and I've seen how tempting it would be, when the pressure is very high, to skimp on the training that new members of staff are given. It's the same with the other members of staff - if no-one's been given the responsibility to look after the new PA, then when the pressure is on, no-one's going to stop doing their actual job to talk you through things instead. Again, poor planning on behalf of the boss.

I reckon you just write this one off as a case of the corporate culture not suiting you, and keep looking. You'll have a much better idea of what you want from a job culture when you next look around.

p.s. I'd agree it comes across as rather nasty to refer to someone's 'wife' - if you do want to publish, you should change that.

MoJo5 · 17/02/2011 22:50

Not a book maybe an article to start with!
Been chilling out not looking at anything.. next week my dh is taking my kids away for half term.. I have a week to myself! First time since my ds was born two years ago. I'm so going to have a holiday!!! Wahee a holiday without kids you don't need to leave home!!!

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KCS · 18/02/2011 20:32

Sounds like a horrific experience and something I can relate to. I've worked in offices like that in the entertainment world and for far too long too. After a while it can really mess up your head. So, in many ways you were lucky to get out when you did. In that industry they seem to thing you are lucky to get a job with them in the first place and can treat assistants like doo - doo.

Please don't let it knock your confidence. I wish you luck in your search for a new career.

Have you thought about teaching? With your language skills and excellent English I'm sure you would easily get on a PGCE course (maybe wait until the youngest starts reception so that the child care costs are not so massive). Then you will always have the holidays to share with your kids.

Whatever you choose to do, good luck!

Speckledeggy · 18/02/2011 22:01

Oh dear, sounds like a bad PA job. There are quite a few of them about (and some brilliant ones too!). I've been a PA for years and certainly wouldn't recommend it. I feel like I'm bloody Wonder Women some days.

I laughed out loud when I read ellina's post. Yes, you do have to be as tough as old boots or everyone will have you running around like a blue arsed fly!

Speckledeggy · 18/02/2011 22:03

I sometimes wonder if I should write a book too. You think you're experience was bad. I've got some real corkers!

MoJo5 · 25/02/2011 16:50

Hi all,

Thanks. Point taken didn't mean to offend anyone referring to the ''wife' will be omitted in the article if I ever publish.

Amazing. From my writing it is obvious to you that I am a people person, like working in large companies not smaller companies, and like writing.

Not surprising then really that this didn't work out but I still believe that people don't need to be so hostile to new starters especially mums returning to work after childcare. Guess alot of workers are not able to empathize with that though.

I've taken time out this week with kids and dh away. It has been great.

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Speckledeggy · 25/02/2011 17:30

Some people are shockingly rude and never cease to amaze me. Two people have called me a dogsbody when I told them I'm a PA (since December!!!). I didn't tell them I work for the Chief Exec of a blue chip company and have far more responsibility than they could ever imagine. I couldn't be bothered!

Glad to hear you had a nice break. The right job is out there. You just need to keep looking.

Emo76 · 28/02/2011 10:13

Good grief what an absolute bunch of weirdos these people were. Sorry to hear you had such an awful experience, they sound utterly incompetent and I bet the company isn't doing well anyway being run like that. I just wanted to say I am gobsmacked at their treatment of you and I bet their marriage was in trouble too!!

MoJo5 · 06/03/2011 18:05

hello all. I'm doing nothing. living day by day shopping and cleaning being a brill housewife but getting more and more frustrated. March now and I can't motivate myself. Everyone is asking me my next move including hubby.. he is pushing me to do a TEFLE.. i just DON'T KNOW how to start. Any ideas after this thread and knowing me a wee bit better?

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PercyPigPie · 06/03/2011 20:32

What an awful experience! I would think a larger more established company would be better for you if you decided you wanted to be a PA again.

I am in a similar position, thinking of returning to work after a decade out Shock. I can so relate to the apathy. One week (like last week) I feel strong and confident and apply for jobs. The next week I feel totally inadequate to return to the world at work and sulk at home, not getting anything done.

Why TEFL? Why not English coaching for GCSE/A levels or entrance examinations? Or even train to be an English teacher? I know someone without a degree who was a writer and has somehow managed to get a job as a lecturer at a higher education college in creative writing. Or what about lecturing in journalism? A lot of these things would fit in well with school term time for when your child is bigger.

Or you could always have another baby [joke]!

PercyPigPie · 06/03/2011 20:33

Or what about becoming editor of a small magazine? Maybe something baby related?

MoJo5 · 07/03/2011 15:22

TEFL because dh is Spanish and one day we may go back there so back up plan. I have always steered clear of being a teacher. No offence to anyone but both my parents were teachers and neither of them enjoyed it. I just don't want to go into teaching ''because I don't know what else to do". Apathy awful today Mon. Ds at nursery so no excuse but instead I've cleaned the house, been for a jog, done some shopping and now have to take bike to bike shop as broken then collect kids from nursery and school. Oh sometimes I think I'm just "busying" myself because I'm stuck at a gate that won't open and frightened of going down the wrong road again.

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ChupaChups · 09/03/2011 23:12

Do something you WANT to do not something your DH wants you to do (i.e. TEFL!).

Decide what you want in terms of your job, for example:-
Something that fits in with your children
Involves writing
Draws on previous skills
Etc.

Then relax, listen carefully and see what life throws up. There are lots of ideas everywhere - look in the library, on noticeboards, on the internet, etc. Follow through on any hunches you have and see where it leads you. Don't rush the process, the right thing will pop you just never know when!

I'm reading a brill book at the moment which might help:-
www.amazon.co.uk/Just-Get-Caring-Compassionate-Kick/dp/1848501617

teenyshoes · 18/03/2011 19:05

Hi

I am truly sorry you had this experience. I had a similar experience a few years ago and it really knocked my confidence. My interview for the job was perfect, the boss was great, I thought I had landed a great job. In reality, it turned into a nightmare. There was no training, my boss was angry all the time, one temp only lasted a day because he terrified her, other temps managed a bit longer - usually 2 or 3 days. I lasted for 3 months before telling the boss I was going to get some stationery and never returned.
It was the worst job I ever had and did not get mentioned on my cv. I didn't tell anyone because I felt it was my fault as I had been out of the workplace for a while after having my children but I now know it wasn't. I found out that other ladies the boss had taken on had also only lasted a few days/weeks.
On a happier note, after being out of work for 3 months, I found another job with a fantastic company, am still there and very happy.
I saw my previous boss a while ago and he was annoyed that he couldn't find 'any decent staff.' I smiled and realised it wasn't me but him that was to blame which gave me a sense of satisfaction.

Themumsnot · 21/03/2011 23:18

Hi Mojo
Just spotted this thread and thought you might like to know that Nic Paton (my DH Grin) is doing a Q&A on going into freelancing on the Guardian careers website on Thursday have a look at the site, there are quite a few old Q&As that are worth browsing through and other useful stuff.
Changing career isn't easy - I should know being in the middle of making the switch from journalism to teaching - but being stuck in a career you hate is so much worse.
And you had a bloody lucky escape IMO. I thought I had some mad bosses in my time, but that one took the biscuit.

MoJo5 · 24/03/2011 22:02

Hi Themumsnot. Thanks for this. I've only just seen your thread. Are you really married to Nic Paton?

I missed this but will check out the site. Thanks so much for letting me know.

I'm still muddled. I have just bought the book DO WHAT YOU ARE from Amazon. I still find it hard to believe that in my late thirties I'm in this position again. Stale mate. Not knowing what to do or where to turn. Confused. Busying myself with lots of things (sunday school, choir, book club) but ultimately desperately unfulfilled. I have so much energy, motivation and desire but I don't know how to chanel it.

Nothing more dangerous than a bored housewife I hear myself think.

I got in touch with my course director from the Masters I did in journalism. He seems to think I can pursue my interest in investigative journalism and be another Paul Kenyon from Panorama (His mate). But my god one needs so much energy to fight against this capitalist society. I'm not sceptical but so much is covered over by the state and journos themsleves. I know it should be exposed and moreover a woman should do it (after all it is mostly men in investigative journalism) but it is a dangerous career and a full time job. Being a mum, I feel, doesn't go hand in hand with being an investigative journalist. Then again maybe that is just me making excuses.

I so want to write.

My brother, who was terrible at writing and English when young, has just written a book (well he did start 7 years ago!). It is good. I am sure it will get published (fiction). I feel it should be me doing it!

The trouble is I am stuck. Freelance work is very difficult to get into in this present crisis. Many experienced writers for the Independent, Guardian etc tell me that the freelance work is drying up for them. (I've only got published in the south London press ever!). I also have no freelance writing experience.

Then there is the book I want to write. I want to write about Spain. Not the south but the area I go to around Madrid and Segovia and Avila. I have had such amazing experiences there I just know I need to write about it but I just don't know where or how to start it!

Then there is the column / book I want to write about this whole strange work culture that I talked about at the start of this thread. How bosses can be so hostile and nasty and offices can be such alien places to mothers returning from childcare. After all your responses I see this is not as unusual as an experience as I thought. Surely this should be written about and thrown out for debate on a public platform. Or at the very least be a subject for Woman's Hour??

Then there is the column I want to write. A chatty, funny comical take on domestic life.

Like last week when my two year old ds put his plastic horse in the microwave and turned it on. I was alerted by my dd shouting to me in Spanish; "Mama ven rapido!" (mum come quick!). Flames were inside the microwave. Yes my ds had dragged up the chair to the microwave and the horse was a mass of melted plastic brown stuck hard to the plate.

Then the day after my ds put a nappy in the washing machine before I turned it on ( I didn't notice till I took the washing out!).

Also the time he managed to push his toothbrush down the sink plug in the bathroom.

Not to mention the time I rushed out to buy petrol only to find he had taken the card from my purse and when I went to pay for the full tank with ds in my arms I found I had no bankcard in my purse. They told me I had an hour to get the money or they would call the police. And while I was getting the money from the bank someone went into my left wing mirror smashing it!

Last night I decided to bath with my kids and my six year old dd pipes up: "Mum, I wish you had smaller breasts." They are not that big!!!!! Oh the joys of motherhood.

One day I will tell you the story of how my ds was born in my trousers in my front room (no, not a planned home birth) and how my mum ordered the landlady of our property (who she had only just met) to cut the umbilical cord! Ha! But think that would be more suited to another thread

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MoJo5 · 04/04/2011 15:12

Hi all. I'm gradually working through looking for a career and forgetting that awful going back to work experience (still haunts me). Ds being sick last week not helped though. Still stuck in a coffin with no ends and trying to climb out but feeling positive something has got to happen. I've been applying for writing jobs. If nothing turns up then a blog perhaps.

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