Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle

Some really excellent posts on this thread.

None of them belonging to Rob…plus ça change etc

Makes you wonder how exciting the deleted ones must have been

Not only does the transition individual's misogyny not diminish, but if they are treated like a woman and ignored - they are furious at having misogynistic attitudes directed at them.

Why transition if you hate women and hate being treated like a woman?

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons

It always seeps out, doesn’t it. The mask slips and the misogyny is revealed.

ah man

I missed Robin disgracing robinself

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Yeah, I'm surprised it took so long today. It's usually over much quicker (story of my life)

Robin never disgraces oneself, Robin merely enhances the meaning of what being a woman and womanhood actually is with every post.

I suspect the argument is that the danger is already with us. Which in that respect is true: Stonewall law has de facto replaced actual law in the UK (dangerous males in women's prisons without a GRC, signs warning women to never challenge a man in their 'bathrooms' etc) including the Equality Act. In theory such things could be legally challenged now - but not if they are copperfastened with legislation that allows any boy or man to be legally recognised as female.

Aside from this, White ignores the psychological impact on women and girls and widespread self-exclusion in places like Ireland, and has previously declared that policy must be based on hard data not subjective fears - a stereotypically male attitude that summarily dismisses the fears of women and girls.

Just picking up on one of Robins points I missed earlier

I was asked to attend to discuss the issues related to Scottish Reform. How my voice, appearance or an unnuanced ‘sound bite’ from a much longer previous discussion are relevant to that is not clear to me

As a woman surely Robin is well aware that in the media and the internet women who have a public face are constantly slated, critiqued, criticised, talked about with regards their voice, their appearance, something they said somewhere else about something else years ago is picked back up and dissected and slagged off.

And the problem for Robin with this is what? robin is a woman, a successful woman.

Well this is how successful women by the thousands get spoken about, and so much worse, every single minute of every single hour of every single day of every single year.

You want womanhood, well you don't get to cherry pick only the bits that work for you mate.

Live with it.

😂

This! All day, every day.

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons

We are the granddaughters of the witches you could not burn.

Ah ha ha. I hope this doesn't get deleted. It should be allowed to stand to display the hypocrisy and misogyny. Witches eh? Try and be more original next time.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

I think the point is rather that trans women, for all their vaunted womanhood, are still fundamentally treating women as men have treated women historically : as a resource, as something to be defined through male observations, as a liability to be managed, as a problem to be solved by male objectivity (ha!), as a collection of parts, as a signifier of sex, as a gender role. The one thing that never occurs to them (male people) is to just let us define ourselves and listen to us tell our own stories.

Crikey. Cauldrons.

Robin has shown their true colours, hasn't they?

As well as @FlirtsWithRhinos excellent setting out of the progression of demands, there is also the additional danger from increasing the number of people with a GRC (by a factor of 10 according to Sturgeon's estimate; more by Westminster's) and removing any vetting.

This is true even if the actual rights granted to an individual by the GRC are unchanged.

Take a different example. To work with children, you must have a DBS certificate. These are issued only after a check, and this limits the number of people who have them.

If you maintain the requirement for all people working with children to have a DBS certificate, but change the process so that anyone who sends a stamped addressed envelope gets one automatically, are you causing additional danger?

How about driving licences? Remove the theory, hazard perception, practical and medical tests. Anyone over 15 can now pick one up at a newsagent, no questions asked. Are you causing additional danger by that change?

I trust it will be noted that I don’t engage in personal attacks

Exhibit A from the Bundle I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

I find people like this a great deal more dangerous to the rights of women and children that those impressionable young people who stand at the front of it all.

Absolutely, it is sinister.

It is also strange that someone who is living as though they are a woman is impervious to so many concerns of women and advocating against them.

I am not certain of the facts but was RMW instrumental in writing the bench book which lead to a judge penalising a victim for referring to her male attacker as he?

Who will judge the judges?

Through my working life I have tried to treat everyone properly, equally and fairly

Try harder.

Or even just TRY.

instead of have tried which probably indicates one Tuesday in September in 1984. They tried, decided it was enough of an effort and that was it. after all words can mean whatever you want in our Brave New World.

It is also strange that someone who is living as though they are a woman is impervious to so many concerns of women and advocating against them.

A male person cannot live as though he is a woman. Male people who say they are living as women tend to live as a male fantasy of what it is to be a woman. Their concerns are male concerns. They don't understand what it is like to be a woman, but it is odd that they have no interest in trying to understand. They seem to think they know better than actual women what being a woman is like, because of their superior male brains or something. Like mansplaining womanhood to women.

If RMW is correct and all this shit is just fine and dandy because lawful, then I say we campaign to change these laws because they hurt women.

Now, where's that Denton's report...? [Rummages for secret lobbying guide]

This. With knobs bells on.

Sorry that was meant to reply to @NotBadConsidering .