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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Alice Walker supports JK Rowling

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ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 09:17

alicewalkersgarden.com/2023/03/theyre-trying-to-burn-the-wrong-witch-the-witch-trials-of-j-k-rowling-redacted-news/

'I consider J.K. Rowling perfectly within her rights as a human being of obvious caring for humanity to express her views about whatever is of concern to her. As she has done.

I also believe that listening to each other before going for the match would put some distance between us and the Middle Ages.

As an Elder (which I take seriously), I must remind us that there is no “right witch” to burn.
Perhaps only our own lack of awareness of being erased, long before robotic
AI “females” were foisted upon society’s consciousness, primarily as slaves, workers, and sex toys.
By this I mean, for instance, that “woman” for whatever sinister reason was being erased in language well before she/her was being disappeared from dictionaries and society.

The use of “guy” for both male and female eroded the ability of children to easily feel confident in which gender they were. From that confusion, considered irrelevant, apparently, to the forming of young minds, has come much cutting off of parts and restructuring of essential physical equipment. If such restructuring is freely chosen at eighteen or twenty, at least there is a sense the person involved may have lived long enough to know, definitely, what is desired.
Younger than that, I feel there may in fact be reason, later on, to mourn and weep. After all, the human body is a miracle, of whatever sex, tampering with a miracle is unlikely to serve us.~aw'

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RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:40

You aren’t the boss of this thread xxyxx

posters have the right to ask questions and disagree with you

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 18:43

Absolutely.

And I have the right to point out the flaws in their 'arguments'.

If you think I'm going to give a massive racist a free pass, sorry, not going to do it. And anyone who stands up for the massive racist is going to get challenged to own that racism.

This stuff matters. Though not to you clearly.

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 18:43

If you have questions about Alice Walker's antisemitism, ask away.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:45

Though not to you clearly

you have absolutely no idea where i stand on this…

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 18:46

'shilling for Neo Nazis'

Good god.

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RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:48

And you xx are the only one ‘fuming’ that someone ‘saw fit’ to defend walker

and ‘advised’ other to drop the discussion

its a discussion thread…people are allowed to discuss

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 18:48

Do you think supporting Holocaust denial, the claim that Jews funded the Holocaust, and that Jews are trying to enslave 'Goyim', are examples of vile, vicious antisemitism?

Or do you think they merit 'discussion', could be 'agreed' with, or 'questioned'?

Your call. I can't believe I need to be posting this on MN, but there you go.

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 18:49

I think you're leaping to assumptions on various fronts. And as for 'rude', only one person here has told anyone to F off.

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RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:50

Do you think supporting Holocaust denial, the claim that Jews funded the Holocaust, and that Jews are trying to enslave 'Goyim', are examples of vile, vicious antisemitism?

i do

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:50

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 18:49

I think you're leaping to assumptions on various fronts. And as for 'rude', only one person here has told anyone to F off.

Absolutely

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:51

The article i referred to upthread talked about walkers ani semitism and i found it very interesting

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 18:51

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:48

And you xx are the only one ‘fuming’ that someone ‘saw fit’ to defend walker

and ‘advised’ other to drop the discussion

its a discussion thread…people are allowed to discuss

I advised it as I didn't feel this was going to achieve the aims of the thread, which I assume was started in good faith by someone unaware of Walker's notoriety on this, with the aim of defending JKR.

Having now heard that Walker is in fact a MASSIVE RACIST, I assume (naively it turns out) that this thread would die a natural death, because why the hell would people claiming to support JKR CHOOSE TO LINK HER NAME TO A MASSIVE ANTISEMITE?

FFS.

With friends like you, Rufus, JKR clearly has no need of enemies.

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 18:52

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:50

Absolutely

Oh yes, how dare the only Jew on the thread take affront at support for a Holocaust denier?

Can't think.

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 18:53

Yet you are the one who chose to resurrect it, xxyzz. Odd.

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RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 19/03/2023 18:53

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 18:51

I advised it as I didn't feel this was going to achieve the aims of the thread, which I assume was started in good faith by someone unaware of Walker's notoriety on this, with the aim of defending JKR.

Having now heard that Walker is in fact a MASSIVE RACIST, I assume (naively it turns out) that this thread would die a natural death, because why the hell would people claiming to support JKR CHOOSE TO LINK HER NAME TO A MASSIVE ANTISEMITE?

FFS.

With friends like you, Rufus, JKR clearly has no need of enemies.

Where have i done that xx put your money where your mouth is and stop making unfounded personal attacks

NotHavingIt · 19/03/2023 18:56

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 17:31

Her support is poisonous to JKR, who has faced entirely unfounded accusations of antisemitism and racism - which in JKR's case could not be further from the truth.

It's poisonous in the same way as support from any other neo-Nazi is poisonous.

This is support we do not want or need.

While it's true that even neo-Nazis might be right about something once in a blue moon, eg knowing what a woman is, their 'support' is not helpful in convincing normal people. The opposite.

"We" are not a hive mind.

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 19:06

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 18:53

Yet you are the one who chose to resurrect it, xxyzz. Odd.

I didn't resurrect it. I posted my comments on a live thread.

I don't live on MN. I came back to see a load of posts since I'd posted pointing out Walker's antisemitism, that were - quite falsely - claiming it was just a matter of an innocent blind spot.

So too damn right I corrected that.

No way am I going to let that stand.

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 19:07

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 18:46

'shilling for Neo Nazis'

Good god.

Would you prefer 'supporting antisemites'?

Does that sound better to you?

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 19:08

NotHavingIt · 19/03/2023 18:56

"We" are not a hive mind.

Are some of us antisemites then?

Because if so, sorry, my support for women's rights does not for one second mean I'm going to give those antisemites a free pass.

And if it does, you - then shame on you.

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 19:21

The last post on this thread was six days ago. Yet you've bumped it back up to the top of the thread, apparently to tell everyone to stop posting on it, xxyzz. And fling a few insults and NEO NAZI accusations about in full caps, and told people to fuck off. Curious.

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ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 19:23

*up to the top of the board.

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xxyzz · 20/03/2023 03:10

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 19:21

The last post on this thread was six days ago. Yet you've bumped it back up to the top of the thread, apparently to tell everyone to stop posting on it, xxyzz. And fling a few insults and NEO NAZI accusations about in full caps, and told people to fuck off. Curious.

Like I said, I don't live on MN, or check it daily. So yes, you might well have to wait 6 days for me to respond to a post. I have a life. I don't have time to read every thread or check notifications. If you do, cool for you.

Once seen, however, I am absolutely not going to let comments stand on a thread that falsely suggest that Alice Walker is really just a nice lady who had some bad experiences with Judaism, rather than the vile antisemite she is.

I note your personal attack on me, a Jewish poster, for daring to criticise antisemitism. And sure I will not be the only one spotting this.

Your continued ad hominem attacks on me and refusal to walk back any of your support for Walker in the light of what you now know about her undoubted antisemitism, however, certainly raises very interesting questions about you - and this thread.

When I first saw this thread, as I've said, I assumed the OP was posted in good faith by someone who was unaware of Walker's vile racism, rather than someone who actively supports it.

That is now considerably less certain.

Let's hear it? Are you prepared to condemn Walker's vile antisemitic views? Or are you only interested in calling out the Jewish women who point it out?

And if the latter, why? Cui bono?

At a time when concerns about the far right trying to co-opt GC for their own ends are rife, I am VERY suspicious of any poster on here 'innocently' trying to link GC icons like JKR to known antisemites.

Who are you? Why are you starting threads linking JKR'S name to a notorious racist? Why are you standing by a known Holocaust denier???

Can't wait to hear your response.

turbonerd · 20/03/2023 07:51

Well,
I have now read up on Alice Walker and David Icke. I had not heard about that connection before.
AW also has the video of Roger Waters talking to the UN council about the war in Ukraine being the fault of too many weapons from nato, so clearly something’s lost on the way.

I can understand why xxyzz is angry and upset at AW and why she doesn’t think it helps that AW «hitches her wagon» to JKR.

I reckon xxyzz is aghast, and having read the weirdness I know can see why.
The persecution of jews is on the rise. «Jew» is used as a slur again by kids in my country. That is frigjtening indeed.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/03/2023 08:14

Yep

i discounted @xxyzz ’s first post because it read like unfounded frothing and guilt by association (no offence) and we get a lot of that on here and it’s generally bollocks

her second post with receipts stopped me in my tracks and I’m grateful for it

but posts like this

I note your personal attack on me, a Jewish poster, for daring to criticise antisemitism.

do not feel like an accurate representation of what happened on this thread

also Nazi means something specific. Alice Walker is not one, or none of the articles provided indicate that she is

anti semite and Nazi are both bad things to be, but they’re not interchangeable

words are important

RichardBarrister · 20/03/2023 09:08

xxyzz · 19/03/2023 17:08

I advised others to drop this discussion, but for reasons I don't understand, some on this thread want to continue to treat Alice Walker as the kind of ally we - or JKR - would wish to have. That is a mistake.

It is a specious argument to suggest that Alice Walker merely disagrees with the tenets of Judaism, having encountered them through inter-marriage. The issue is that Alice Walker spreads and promotes grotesquely hamful and racist tropes about Jews as well as Judaism - as a quick google would tell you.

www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/alice-walker-cheryl-strayed-new-york-times

jewishjournal.com/commentary/columnist/348537/alice-walker-and-the-jews-again/

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/alice-walker-anti-semitism-new-yorker-essay/629711/

"[S]ince 2012 Walker has promoted the ideas of . . . David Icke, the author of a book called And the Truth Shall Set You Free. . . . Icke suggests that the Jewish people helped pay for the Holocaust themselves (if it even happened; he thinks schoolchildren should be encouraged to debate this). He says that the KKK is secretly Jewish, and he seems to be a big fan of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Walker . . . has rejected charges of anti-Semitism as attempts to silence her support for the Palestinians, but the argument that Walker’s issue is only with the Israeli government, not with the Jewish people, is specious. In that poem, she describes the Palestinians as just the latest examples of the victims of an “ancient” evil perpetrated “with impunity, and without conscience,/ By a Chosen people.” This is hate."

Thank you for sharing these links but it is hard to work out what Alice Walker actually said and the context around it from the excited hyperbole of the articles clearly keen to ‘cancel’ her for wrongthink. The link to her ‘infamous’ interview (as they call it) is behind a paywall.

Given that any woman who stands up for her rights (or even gives a hint of ‘wrongthink’ on any topic) these days is instantly labelled a Nazi bigot, and given the dire state of what passes for journalism these days, I must say I’m going to take all that with a pinch of salt.

If she is genuinely anti semitic, then obviously that is an unacceptable view but does that mean she is not still a woman and a human being with valid opinions on other topics? Must she be cast out forever based on a book recommendation and interview from 2018? If we keep talking people can change their views.

Who are you to police who JKR or the rest of us can be supported by? Is everyone who expresses support for women’s rights subjected to the same purity test?