Sandie Peggie has lost her case against the nursing union.

[RhannionKPSS]

Terrible news

Yes. If Genderists can redefine the word 'woman' to mean women + men in dresses then "trans" in modern usage no longer means just “across from” but also means "fake". So "trans woman" = "fake woman". There are other variations e.g. "trans" means "not a" hence "trans woman" means "not a woman"

And unbelievably ‘denial’ in the form of the GRA was made law by an extremely thoughtless group of people.

Right - as I thought, so your initial declaration -

"Free speech, privacy and dignity are for everyone, whether you like or agree with them or not"

Wasn't quite right really was it?

What you actually meant, it turns out, was: privacy and dignity are for everyone — except the handful whose bodies and identities don’t fit the majority norm.

if men changing with men is an invasion of those men's privacy and dignity, then you need to take it up with the men who are responsible!

Nothing to do with women.

Strewth, the entitlement!

You’ve defined ‘trans’ as ‘fake’ and then deduced that trans women are fake.

Well done you.

Exactly, they can have their dignity in a separate space if they won't go in the one they are supposed to.

They’re not fake people, they’re “fake” women. Because they are men. Not women.

Honestly. the absolute last way you would describe men invading women's privacy against their consent is 'dignified'.

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They’re fake women as they are men.

She didn't use the word "devastated". You are been disingenuous. It's already been pointed out to you that it wasn't her word, so the fact you're still using it simply goes to show that you are deliberately twisting and distorting.

As for daft comments about Pakistani or Chinese people, I don't use that language myself but it's not malicious and it's not some kind of evil character flaw that she should be cancelled for. I suspect in Pakistan and China you'd hear far worse about people from other cultures.

Aside from throwing out "isms" and "phobias", do you have any arguments?

Thanks! I've been well schooled in circular arguments by Genderists like you.

So dignity for everyone — in the separate space you’ve allocated them. ‘Separate but equal’: the doctrine US racial segregation ran on for sixty years.

Well tw can go in the men's if they don't want a special room. Their choice.

There wasn't a choice under segregation, do you see the difference?

You’ve now said ‘they are men’ three times. Repeatedly stating it doesn’t make it a reasoned argument

No one has stated that Dr Upton should not have asked for a private changing space.

What you actually mean by ‘privacy and dignity’ for men such as him is that all women should be denied their own privacy and dignity if such men demand access to them. Remember it was not enough for Dr Upton to get changed in the (otherwise) female room - he was upset that SP did not strip off whilst he was in there.

Well what part of it are you not understanding?

it is not an argument to say men are men, it is a statement of fact.

A ‘choice’ between being exposed and being segregated. Yes, I see the difference — you’re offering two ways to be punished instead of one.

Make the reasoned argument then.

What has changed in a man to make him into a 'trans woman'?

Yes, because despite a fringe ideological belief you appear to hold, they are men. I can say it a few more times if you like?

Well women didn't seem to have a choice about them invaded female spaces, even though they should have done.

So suck it up buttercup, is my thought. It's more choice than women have had.

Men are men’ is a tautology; nobody’s arguing with it. You’ve made a nothing point.

What about a woman’s choice to be in a space away from confused men? Why are their feelings not valid but trans women’s feelings and wishes should be accommodated?

Just imagine if you fought this hard for the women who will self exclude because of people like you promoting the erosion of their own single sex spaces. But you do you, I suppose.

It has just as much authority as "trans women are women".

To get beyond either, you need to start defining terms and on what basis they can justifiably be imposed onto other people.

And here, sex realists do I'm afraid have the advantage.

Because no one is stopping Genderists having their own extra definitions on top of or alongside sex and organising to provide appropriate facilties or support, we simply want those of us who don't find identifying as a specific social gender meaingingful, and who do think sex is significant and has physical, social, cultural and ecomonic consequences that sometimes do necessitate single sex language, support or protections, to continue to have those options rather than being forced to submit to soneone else's ideas about our "gender".