JKR response to Stonewall CEO comments

[BlueLegume]

Just posted on X by JKR in response to Stonewall CEO comments re wanting to take the ‘heat’ out of the debate around trans …..even though their slogan was ‘ no debate’.

A lot of us were very willing to have a debate without heat, @stonewalluk, and the reason that never happened wasn't because gender critical feminists didn't want one.
While we were trying to get you to listen to our concerns, your former CEO was telling a BBC boss that gay people not wanting to include the opposite sex in their dating pool was 'sexual racism'. While we were pointing out the homophobia inherent in gender ideology, Stonewall ambassador Alex Drummond (a bearded, heterosexual man who'd had no surgery and taken no cross-sex hormones but liked wearing skirts), was going into schools to talk to students about his 'lesbian' identity. @BluskyeAllison, who actually is a lesbian, was subject to unlawful discrimination at her place of work for tweeting: ‘Stonewall recently hired Morgan Page, a male bodied person who ran workshops with the sole aim of coaching heterosexual men who identify as lesbians on how they can coerce young lesbians into having sex with them. Page called [it] “overcoming the cotton ceiling”.’
When the UK Supreme Court upheld women's right to single sex spaces, you issued a statement expressing your unhappiness about the ruling. In her report on your unhappy influence at the University of Essex, you were found by barrister @akuareindorf to have misrepresented the law as it related to women's rights: '[Stonewall have] stated the law as Stonewall would prefer it to be, rather than the law as it is’.
In 2018, you publicly advised schools to shred a research pack saying there were risks to puberty blockers, in spite of the fact that you aren't a medical charity and that there was already credible evidence that puberty blockers are neither irreversible nor harm-free. Meanwhile you produced your own educational packs, recommending a children's book, for ages 5-9, in which the parent 'is neither a man, nor a woman – they’re non-binary.' In July 2022, Stonewall sent out a tweet that read ‘Research suggests that children as young as two recognise their trans identity'.
^@thetimes has reported how you've sought to control the language used by NHS trusts and government on their social-media accounts. Organisations would get points from you for replacing commonly understood words with ideologically approved terms, eg, 'birthing parent' instead of 'mother'. thetimes.com/uk/society/art…^
In short, you took a maximalist position on gender identity ideology, which you attempted to enforce by diktat. You refused to acknowledge that you'd hitched your wagon to a cause that, unlike civil rights, gay rights or women's rights, sought to strip rights from others. You sought to curtail everyone's right to freedom of speech and belief by controlling what it was permissible to think and say, through the management and political class. You have argued against women's and girl's rights to their own spaces, their sports and to assemble without men. Your CEO tried to shame gay women/men into dating the opposite sex if the latter claimed to be female/male.
Your mantra was 'no debate' because, like all totalitarians, you preferred slogans, bullying and infiltration of powerful institutions to talking to opponents. You appear to have had no concern for the lowly people your ideology was harming: gender confused kids, female rape victims, female prisoners, regular people hounded and investigated at their places of work for refusing to accept the new mandates on sex and gender issued from on high.
Your 'activism' has been a disaster for those trans-identified people who really do just want to get on with their lives in peace. You have besmirched the name of an organisation many of us were once proud to donate to, the charity that was partly responsible for securing the legal right of gay people to marry, which a lot of us thought would never happen in our lifetimes. The milquetoast words quoted below do not erase a decade of gender activism that has been disastrous not only for individuals but for society as a whole.
There was once a debate to be had, but until you acknowledge the direct harm you've caused, it is no more possible to debate you than to persuade a person in the throes of a drug-induced psychosis that they are not, in fact, the reincarnated Christ.

This has one of my favourite lines, ever.

Of course it terrifies you Alex, they chop your cock off

Cutting straight to the chase, no messing.

It was a bearded man in a skirt and they are male bodies people what is transphobuc about facts?

irreversible means that you can’t get back to the original state , there are permanent effects so I guess that’s what she meant

Well I read that guardian piece about half an hour ago and JKR's reply has made me feel slightly less pissed off about the mealy mouthed comments coming from Stonewall. Thanks for sharing.

She’s brilliant.
‘Your f’ing minds are so open, your brains have fallen out’

Those are both true, unlike the claim that these men at any kind of women.

So there’s nothing wrong with those expressions - except for people who find reality to be transphobic.

Wow isn’t she magnificent.

I don’t understand why Stonewall haven’t been held to account for all of those things JK talks about. The Charities Commission have all the evidence.

Just no. Your interpretation of what never happened is just odd. Can I suggest, politely of course, that you take reading classes. It might help your comprehension.

Alex Drummond. The man who told us all that he was pioneering by widening the bandwidth of what it meant to be a woman. By fixing his car then going in and dressing up for a night out.

Get with the fucking programme, Alex! Some of us did that as teenagers, long before you decided you were showing us a thing or two.

What a narrow minded man.

And I remember when we would get deleted and banned on MN for saying that!

Fascinating. They think words have such power. They claim a man is a woman, and we’re supposed to believe it without question.

We say, ‘But…’, and we’re ’literally killing people’.

They say, ‘Let’s have a nice chat, I’m sure we can sort it out.’, amd we’re supposed to forget everything that’s gone before? All that bullying and harassment?

No thank you.

God she is brilliant

I read a comment somewhere that read something like…
’Say NO to a Transwomen and the man inside appears’

Perfect. They can f right off.

She wouldn't have to talk about bearded men in skirts if said bearded men in skirts didn't declare they were women with the resultant societal upheaval.
And of course, if you and your clan had your way, noone would ever have been able to object.

Huh. Seems about right.

"The background to the “No Debate” slogan
Since the early 2000s, many in the trans community have taken the position that they will not discuss the validity or existence of trans identities; ‘no debate’ became the shorthand slogan for this position.

Over the years, the meaning of that slogan has been intentionally misappropriated to suggest that trans people and their allies were refusing to collaborate, compromise or discuss policy affecting trans people.
Many public forums that aired discussions on trans issues or topics chose not to focus on policy questions, but instead often focused on whether being trans was a valid identity and whether trans people existed. In response to this, many trans people were left feeling vulnerable and unsafe, and refused to engage in public conversations on these terms.

In 2017, Stonewall highlighted how some were using proposed reforms of the Gender Recognition Act to again question the very right of trans people to exist. As Stonewall highlighted at the time, “This cannot be up for debate.”
Stonewall’s position has always been clear: trans people’s existence is not up for debate. Just as debates over the existence of gay people or people of faith wouldn’t be tolerated, the same applies to trans communities. This is separate from discussions about policy affecting trans people, which Stonewall has consistently and openly engaged with. As Simon Blake, Stonewall’s CEO, reiterated in a wide-ranging 2024 Guardian Interview, drawing on the 2017 ‘Vision for Change’ report, open conversation is always welcomed and encouraged, but not at the expense of legitimising hate or discrimination.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/resources/lgbtq-hubs/trans-hub/trans-equality

This Guardian article is fascinating, and relates to this. It’s a bit long, but very very on point.

How to spot a psychopath: ‘It’s like the difference between a domestic cat and a wild cat’
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2026/aug/27/how-to-spot-a-psychopath-its-like-the-difference-between-a-domestic-cat-and-a-wild-cat

edit a better link.

This bit….
”Brazen lying in public life is a tactic Lobaczewski recognised – he called it the “reversive blockade”. Koehli describes it as: “When you tell a lie convincingly and it’s such an absurd lie, most people’s automatic reaction is that they can’t comprehend a lie told on that scale, so they try to find the ‘golden mean’ between the statement and the reality. But that, Lobaczewski says, is the intention of the big lie. They know it will sow confusion.” The impact on the population over which a dark personality presides is huge: some will try and find that golden mean; others will remain steadfast in calling it a lie and fall out with the first lot; others will try to adjust their own reality to make the lie true; while others will become inured to the new normal – that we just all lie now

On an interpersonal level, this brazenness is even more head-spinning. Often both predator and victim know it’s a lie, or the predator is accusing the victim of exactly the thing he or she just did, or the lie has been expressed using the victim’s own language. Reverse attribution is so familiar in the domestic-abuse sphere that it has its own acronym – Darvo, for deny, attack, reverse victim and offender – yet it still absolutely fogs the victims, who feel their credibility is permanently in doubt. In the workplace, the effects are also devastating, because there tend to be spectators who themselves have a decisive impact on the outcome. As Mitchell says about one of her interviewees who worked in HR: “People were genuinely convinced the dark personality was the victim and the victim was the dark personality. It destroyed the life of the victim, even though they had an excellent professional track record.”
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She's awesome!

'Feet, meet fire'

There’s a current thread about a lecturer at Oxford who is too.

Isn’t she ❤️

Is the last line JKR having a go at Russell Brand, do you think?

Thank you for all the responses.

I anticipated a lot of hate.

I do think it is hard to counter what JK has said. Sadly many of us women, with ordinary lives, do not have the uncancelabilty - (made up I am aware ) that JKR has. Massive respect JKR.

Just as debates over the existence of gay people or people of faith wouldn’t be tolerated, the same applies to trans communities. This is separate from discussions about policy affecting trans people, which Stonewall has consistently and openly engaged with.

i'm pretty certain that Venice Allan said she asked 24 different trans people or organisations (or maybe the same one 24 times, who knows), to come to one of her talks.

No debate wasn't a rhetorical device or limited to apply to mere existence.

It was a flat refusal to talk about any of it. Because it's clearly sexist, irrational bollocks. House of cards, shifting stands, risible, dangerous nonsense.

Hell, you got chucked off Twitter for saying he. You got deleted on here for saying 'bless'. KJK was interviewed by the police for using the word castration. Millwall, bloody Millwall, crumpled.

I hope this runs and runs. I hope all the receipts get projected on to the Ministry of Justice building for days on end.

(In bold!).

This is misleading and disingenous.