"Misandry is the root of all trans fear. Men’s fear of other men. Women’s fear of all men."

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1xbcui7/the_framing_of_the_antitrans_movement_as/

Get popcorn.

It's reddit

I believe someone has started a thread on it but it can also be found on her website.

For the JKR post

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/an-update-to-my-essay-of-june-2020/

I would love to have a "delete post" option; is there one that I haven't found?

No, you'd have to report yourself and justify it!

Ah well. It's a slight pity this is so, as for instance on this thread on which you answered my question while I was typing it and posting it!

And thanks for that; she really is rather good at putting clearly what I am struggling to convince someone about at the moment.

I guess it makes sense as a rule so people can't just pretend they didn't say horrible things. But annoying sometimes! They'll always delete for posting on a wrong thread, for example, not necessarily for anything else....it totally depends.

Probably more difficult in the evenings and at weekends, too. Or do they have round-the-clock full-time staff these days?

I don't think so. And no one checks reports at night, if you want to report you have to post on the nightwatch thread. I think.....

But posts get deleted during the night: they are there when I go to bed and gone when I sign in in the morning. Do all the MRAs and TRAs and other low-life night-crawlers know this rule?

No idea. Or maybe the early morning shift rattle through them. But a lot stands at night that shouldn't, as nightwatch, who apparently are unpaid volunteers, don't see them.

Mumsnet moves in a mysterious way, it's clear. I don't try to understand it, though to be fair to them, if they remove one of my posts and I write politely asking why (so i can not do whatever it was again, obviously) someone usually writes back explaining their reasons, and even being prepared to debate the matter a little.

Heh, yes, they're pretty good at that. I do think trolls exploit the nighttime laxity though.

If you realise quickly, you can edit your post to just say "cross post, ignore me" or something, so that at least it limits the number of people reading the original and then going, "derrrr, she's just SAID that!".

ETA: obvs, people can still read the original, but they have to put at least a tiny bit of effort in, which yer typical "derrrrr" poster tends not to do.

That was roughly what I did, though not as elegantly. Thanks!

Argh, sorry, so you did. Apologies. I was tired and did a "derrr" all of my own...

I disagree. Its internalised misogyny. That gender critical movement target their vicious mocking at trans women's appearances & not trans men is about feminine presentation. That they insist cis women who follow suit only do so because of social constructionism/patriarchal expectations & as such have no individual agency is also another 'tell'.

The demeaning of feminine expression AKA femmephobia has a long history rooted in the systemic devaluation of traits, behaviours and aesthetics associated with women and femininity. Historically, patriarchal structures have positioned masculinity as the universal human standard leaving femininity to be viewed as inferior, superficial, or manipulative.

Describing feminine traits, behaviours and aesthetics as purely a 'stereotype' is simply another form of femmephobia. Just because patriarchal & social expectations exist regarding feminine expression doesn't mean that's the only cause of them. In fact gendered traits are considered as both a nature/nurture phenomenon with genes, hormones & evolutionary survival & mating pressures influencing their expression.

Thank you for that lecture from the gender studies department.

Back in the real world, the whole 'it's leading to harassing of women (you care about women, here's a reason you should accept to let men into women's spaces)' thing is very obviously an activist constructed myth. It's as cynically fabricated as the 'suicide' myth that was pushed for years.

I agree with @akkakk about the precise use of words here. That's why I'm intrigued by their use of "acquired gender" in this Reddit post. I thought their argument was that their gender was "innate". So how have they "acquired" it now? And what does that mean in terms of how trans people are perceiving themselves?

They don’t believe we are our acquired gender inside,
They still don't understand that a lot of us do not believe in gender at all. It does not exist so it cannot be acquired outside, inside, or both. You may as well be trying to explain that some men have superpowers like Spiderman, it's just a fantasy in their heads albeit a mass produced one (can't think of the proper word).

"Delusion"?

But you do because gender critical feminist doctrine is specifically about resisting socially constructed gender stereotypes. In other words, if gender didn't exist there would be nothing to resist.

They are twisting themselves into knots because some of the observances are real- for example this post

"I reckon several things are going on. People know abuse of all sorts goes on: rape, sexual, physical and mental abuse etc, to both women and men, young and old.. The figures are shocking: unless we live in a cupboard, we will all know a victim.

But the person committing such acts cannot be my mate at work; cannot be my golfing partner; cannot be that lunching lady. We're awesome, and no-one we know can be bad. So when my friend's wife appears with a black eye, I accept that she walked into a brick column without question"

This is completely reasonable but the poster uses this as a way of putting them back into the victim mindset

"Therefore the abuse must be caused by an out-group; preferably one I don't know any member of. For many, the outgroup seems to be ethnic minorities.
But many middle-class people can't blame ethnic minorities, as that would be racist.

No, there needs to be another outgroup, preferably one they feel is a bit weird. And I'm sad to say that it appears trans people are that target for many.
(I'm a middle-aged CIS male, if that matters.)"

At no point have any of the posters established that

a) all men over the age of 13 are stronger than women- inclusive of transwomen.

b) most assaults happen to women for sexual purposes rather than to maime or kill like for men.

c) women are most at risk from men in private spaces as oppose to public and that risk increases when women are removing their clothes.

Wrong. An atheist doesn’t need religion to exist for their own atheism to exist.

Are you seriously suggesting that gender critical feminists don't posit that sex stereotypes exist?