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The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is

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MyAmpleSheep · 18/10/2026 14:49

How do people who celebrate the transitioning of five year old children know that the kind of girl a boy who identities as a “girl” identifies as is the same kind of girl that a girl who identifies as a “girl” is?

Other than than from what he sees girls doing, how can a boy “know” what being a girl is, to be sure he is one?

is it posited that there is an innate sense of boy:girl that exists outside of the experience of seeing and being the presence of others?

If a child was “raised by wolves”, could they be trans? If that child had a male body and reached the age of 20 never having seen or met or known of the existence of women is it possible for them to grow up with dysphoria? When eventually discovering the other sex would they suddenly recognize “they had been born in the wrong body”?

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Helleofabore · 21/10/2026 19:33

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 19:24

something seeming intuitively obvious doesn’t make it true.

😶

Imagine teaching a child to not trust their intuition or to shape them to believe that something that is an individual's subject belief that is not reflective of material reality, is materially real.

It undermines safeguarding principles, but these principles must be dismissed apparently.

Pingponghavoc · 21/10/2026 19:33

So now we don't have definition for boy/girl, and presumably, man/woman. Its personal to the individual.

Again, what is the point? Individuals feel strong gender identity, and any distress is reduced by everyone having their own meaning of these words?

You understand the logical conclusion is that boy/girl/man/woman become meaningless terms? Will we still be able to safeguard based on sex, or will male and female become self defined words too?

CohensDiamondTeeth · 21/10/2026 19:34

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:03

Whereas I think it's at the heart of the issue of a boy claiming to be a girl

Yes. And that’s precisely the assumption I’m challenging. It seems intuitively obvious to you that a child’s identification as a girl must arise from their understanding of what a girl is. But something seeming intuitively obvious doesn’t make it true.

Plenty of things we now know to be true are profoundly counterintuitive. Just look at modern physics. Our intuitions about how the world works are not always reliable guides to reality, and human cognition is no exception.

. Sometimes understanding a phenomenon requires us to question the assumptions through which we’ve been interpreting it.

Unfortunately, there seems to be very little willingness among some posters here to do that. Instead, the same assumptions are repeatedly presented as self-evident facts, even when alternative explanations are offered

But without a common understanding of the label, the inner feeling expressed by that boy which he is giving the label "girl", might actually mean "uncomfortable wearing restrictive trousers and prefer wearing a less restrictive skirt", or anything else really. It doesn't necessarily follow that the label "girl" this boy gives his inner feeling actually means he is really a "girl in a boy's body" or whatever, and apart from the philosophising, he is still a male bodied person and that has real life impacts for both him, and others.

A person can feel, or like, whatever they want. That's personality. A person can never escape their sexed body, and it is much healthier to allow a person to present their personality however they like, but to support them to interact with the real world and be helped to be as comfortable as possible in their sexed body, because there's no getting away from their bodies no matter what they do to them with regards to hormones or surgeries. If they go down the route of hormones and surgeries there are lots of physical, life impacting negative consequences. We should not be locking children into this medicalised pathway before they are old enough to understand the implications of everything. This includes not socially transitioning children, because it is not a neutral act.

Edit to clarify, these things should not done to children of any age, this is adult stuff.

Helleofabore · 21/10/2026 19:37

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/10/2026 19:29

So many red flags.
No child's body is wrong.
No adult should be badgering a 4 / 5 child about what sex they are.
That can be seen as an emotionally abusive act. It's gaslighting a child. It's imposing an adult belief or fetish (take your pick) on a young child.

Children deserve to be safeguarded from this and must be allowed to develop and mature without adults imposing their age inappropriate beliefs on them.

No amount of waffle excuses this behaviour.

It is remarkable

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 21/10/2026 19:39

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:03

Whereas I think it's at the heart of the issue of a boy claiming to be a girl

Yes. And that’s precisely the assumption I’m challenging. It seems intuitively obvious to you that a child’s identification as a girl must arise from their understanding of what a girl is. But something seeming intuitively obvious doesn’t make it true.

Plenty of things we now know to be true are profoundly counterintuitive. Just look at modern physics. Our intuitions about how the world works are not always reliable guides to reality, and human cognition is no exception.

. Sometimes understanding a phenomenon requires us to question the assumptions through which we’ve been interpreting it.

Unfortunately, there seems to be very little willingness among some posters here to do that. Instead, the same assumptions are repeatedly presented as self-evident facts, even when alternative explanations are offered

Modern physics has two underlying supports. One is models which provide explanations for observed phenomena. The other is experiments which test the models. For example, the Higgs boson was predicted by a model, and eventually a particle with the expected properties was detected. Yes, both quantum mechanics and relativity are in some respects counter intuitive, but both are backed up by physical experiments which fit the theory. As soon as a repeatable experiment doesn't fit a model or hypothesis, the model is recognised as being inadequate. See the Michelson Morley experiment which demonstrated that electromagnetic waves were not propagated through a mysterious substance called luminiferous aether.

I do not see how the phenomenon of someone insisting that they are not the sex that they can be physically proven to be is evidence of a concept called gender identity which is somehow of more consequence than the physical reality of sex.

Pingponghavoc · 21/10/2026 19:45

I mentioned this earlier, but its worth repeating. We have trans children because the trans adults need them to exist.

We can't have a precise definition of boy/girl/man/woman because the adult trans want to decide their own personal 'transition'. Therefore it doesnt matter what the child thinks is boy/girl, all they need is to say 'i want to be a boy/girl, can I be a boy/girl, I am a boy/girl'.

Then the trans child exists, and the adults can say that they were born this way.

DrBlackbird · 21/10/2026 19:45

Is it just me that sees this thread as having become the Lacksie Show? Who is lapping up all the attention, replies, and the chance to write the lengthy run-on posts educating everyone else. Happens on so many threads. Almost as if they’re mansplaining…?

Edited to add: If no one else cares, then, ah well, I can skip past those and read the responses if need be.

Datun · 21/10/2026 19:47

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:03

Whereas I think it's at the heart of the issue of a boy claiming to be a girl

Yes. And that’s precisely the assumption I’m challenging. It seems intuitively obvious to you that a child’s identification as a girl must arise from their understanding of what a girl is. But something seeming intuitively obvious doesn’t make it true.

Plenty of things we now know to be true are profoundly counterintuitive. Just look at modern physics. Our intuitions about how the world works are not always reliable guides to reality, and human cognition is no exception.

. Sometimes understanding a phenomenon requires us to question the assumptions through which we’ve been interpreting it.

Unfortunately, there seems to be very little willingness among some posters here to do that. Instead, the same assumptions are repeatedly presented as self-evident facts, even when alternative explanations are offered

You know what? Before you cut their bloody penis off, you might want to ask them why.

BlueLegume · 21/10/2026 19:48

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Pingponghavoc · 21/10/2026 19:50

Lacksie could be anyone.

But its clear that lacksie represents people who believe trans to be true, but cannot articulate the whys.

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:51

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 19:24

something seeming intuitively obvious doesn’t make it true.

😶

lol you guys really aren't a bunch of intellectuals are you?

From the book I'm currently reading about time- written by one of the world's most preeminent theoretical physicists.

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:52

Sorry was meant to have a photo attached

The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is
BackToLurk · 21/10/2026 19:54

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:51

lol you guys really aren't a bunch of intellectuals are you?

From the book I'm currently reading about time- written by one of the world's most preeminent theoretical physicists.

Will be cherry picking and misinterpreting that too? Just so we can be prepared.

Pingponghavoc · 21/10/2026 19:55

Its it the dent to your ego? You consider yourself smart, yet cannot articulate the concept and are blaming everyone else?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 21/10/2026 19:56

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:52

Sorry was meant to have a photo attached

That is not evidence either that some people are the sex they say they are not the sex that they can be proven to be.

That is not evidence that someone who thinks they are the sex they are not has an underlying neurocognitive oddity that justifies their claim to be the sex they re not.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 19:58

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:51

lol you guys really aren't a bunch of intellectuals are you?

From the book I'm currently reading about time- written by one of the world's most preeminent theoretical physicists.

I don't think attempting to impugn other posters for their intellectual capabilities or lack thereof is going to help you look good.

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 20:00

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 21/10/2026 19:56

That is not evidence either that some people are the sex they say they are not the sex that they can be proven to be.

That is not evidence that someone who thinks they are the sex they are not has an underlying neurocognitive oddity that justifies their claim to be the sex they re not.

Correct. It has nothing to do with it.

I’m simply trying to caution people on this thread against mistaking their own intuitions about what seems obvious for what is actually true. The history of science is full of discoveries that challenge our most basic assumptions about how the world works. Reality is often far stranger and more complex than our intuitions would suggest. That’s why we need to be willing to question those assumptions, rather than treating them as self-evident truths.

Imdunfer · 21/10/2026 20:01

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 19:52

Sorry was meant to have a photo attached

The Order of Time by Carlo Ravelli.

Actually most intelligent people can understand why time passes faster the further from earth you go because of gravitational time dilation. It is an observable provable truth by taking atomic clocks into earth orbit and outer space.

Now if you can come up with anything half as provable for why we should trust a 4 year old boy who says he's a girl, in the absence of any other possible influences that could have caused his dysphoria than that he was born in the wrong body, then we'll all be with you.

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 20:08

Imdunfer · 21/10/2026 20:01

The Order of Time by Carlo Ravelli.

Actually most intelligent people can understand why time passes faster the further from earth you go because of gravitational time dilation. It is an observable provable truth by taking atomic clocks into earth orbit and outer space.

Now if you can come up with anything half as provable for why we should trust a 4 year old boy who says he's a girl, in the absence of any other possible influences that could have caused his dysphoria than that he was born in the wrong body, then we'll all be with you.

Actually most intelligent people can understand why time passes faster the further from earth you go because of gravitational time dilation

😮😮😂.

What the actual fuck? 🤣🤣 Gravitational time dilation was one of the most extraordinary and profoundly counterintuitive predictions of Einstein’s general theory of relativity. We’re talking about arguably the greatest physicist who ever lived, fundamentally overturning humanity’s understanding of the nature of space and time.

But sure, apparently it was all perfectly obvious to anyone of reasonable intelligence. Einstein must be kicking himself for not just asking you @Imdunfer . Perhaps he should have asked about that critical thinking score you were mentioning earlier. 😆

MagpiePi · 21/10/2026 20:09

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 21/10/2026 16:03

I'm getting the message that, if a boy says he is a girl, but is unable to articulate why, then it must be because he has discovered his innate gender identity and so must be affirmed.

So a child that states they are the opposite sex has found some deep understanding of the concept of gender and how it relates to their physical body and mind, but Lacksie’s child can’t articulate why she knows she is a girl. Does gender incongruence also confer a degree of cognitive ability far beyond the child’s years?

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 20:10

Lacksie's proposal seems to be that a four year old child can grasp and understand what this deeply mysterious and ineffable 'gender identity' thing is, but a group of adults are unable to grasp and understand it, because we are all apparently not 'intellectual' enough.

This may gratify Lacksie for a while as Lacksie thinks they've made a great 'mic drop' that proves something about themself in contrast with other posters, but in the long run, it doesn't suggest a workable or rational hypothesis to me.

Basing your claims on a hypothetical four year old child's assertions is bold, though. And shockingly, it seems great chunks of the NHS have been willing to go ahead and dish out hormonal treatments to children on roughly this basis.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 20:11

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 20:08

Actually most intelligent people can understand why time passes faster the further from earth you go because of gravitational time dilation

😮😮😂.

What the actual fuck? 🤣🤣 Gravitational time dilation was one of the most extraordinary and profoundly counterintuitive predictions of Einstein’s general theory of relativity. We’re talking about arguably the greatest physicist who ever lived, fundamentally overturning humanity’s understanding of the nature of space and time.

But sure, apparently it was all perfectly obvious to anyone of reasonable intelligence. Einstein must be kicking himself for not just asking you @Imdunfer . Perhaps he should have asked about that critical thinking score you were mentioning earlier. 😆

I don't think Imdunfer was claiming to have discovered the theory. Just confirming it was understandable. But do go on with the lols.

Imdunfer · 21/10/2026 20:12

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 20:00

Correct. It has nothing to do with it.

I’m simply trying to caution people on this thread against mistaking their own intuitions about what seems obvious for what is actually true. The history of science is full of discoveries that challenge our most basic assumptions about how the world works. Reality is often far stranger and more complex than our intuitions would suggest. That’s why we need to be willing to question those assumptions, rather than treating them as self-evident truths.

Future scientific discoveries will never change the fact that women have 2 X chromosomes, that not all of that double delivery of chromosomes is completely or partially suppressed, and that no woman has the Y gene.

Science will expose other gene based differences between men and women in time but it will not remove the knowledge that women have a stronger immune response and are 8 times more likely than men to have an autoimmune disease and higher anxiety levels than men because of the double X or that men have greater size because of the Y.

None of this is intuition, and until you stop insisting that men can be women because it's what they feel, and come up with a verifiable description of what it means to feel like a woman without reference to gender stereotypes, the definition of "woman" remains adult human female with 2 X chromosomes and no Y.

ArabellaScott · 21/10/2026 20:12

MagpiePi · 21/10/2026 20:09

So a child that states they are the opposite sex has found some deep understanding of the concept of gender and how it relates to their physical body and mind, but Lacksie’s child can’t articulate why she knows she is a girl. Does gender incongruence also confer a degree of cognitive ability far beyond the child’s years?

maybe part of the reincarnation bit.

Imdunfer · 21/10/2026 20:17

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 20:08

Actually most intelligent people can understand why time passes faster the further from earth you go because of gravitational time dilation

😮😮😂.

What the actual fuck? 🤣🤣 Gravitational time dilation was one of the most extraordinary and profoundly counterintuitive predictions of Einstein’s general theory of relativity. We’re talking about arguably the greatest physicist who ever lived, fundamentally overturning humanity’s understanding of the nature of space and time.

But sure, apparently it was all perfectly obvious to anyone of reasonable intelligence. Einstein must be kicking himself for not just asking you @Imdunfer . Perhaps he should have asked about that critical thinking score you were mentioning earlier. 😆

I didn't say what you are saying I said.

I said it was understandable NOW, while right now you are not proposing anything remotely understandable without a religious level of belief, and on top of that you are rejecting explanations that ARE understandable and provable now, while proposing there is some mystical thing coming that will make all your beliefs true.

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