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Tom Daley steps into the world of drag

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HannahinHampshire · 05/10/2026 20:27

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/962ef028c3a0222b

How depressing. I thought we were done with drag . . .

Tom Daley takes plunge into the world of drag

Olympic diver is unrecognisable after donning dress and blonde wig for YouTube makeover show

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/962ef028c3a0222b

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alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:02

Hedgehogforshort · 05/10/2026 22:58

Yes i fucking well know. I have seen him live. He only had one child a female. His act, not personae was a prostitute transvestite, not real you nit wit.

Lily had two children. Bunty and Jason. That's two.

ETA: You genuinely don't seem to be able to tell the difference between the real person and the drag persona. That's concerning.

Tears0fTheMushroom · 05/10/2026 23:06

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I wish I could pretend to be shocked at the outright homophobia here.

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:10

helpfulperson · 05/10/2026 21:09

Eh? Drag has been around longer than TV never mind longer than the bbc show. It will continue fine without the show.

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Yeah, I can't see it going anywhere anytime soon. Women are the main audience and many seem to absolutely love it. Nobody really complained about it until the trans thing but now a lot of feminists seem to unconditionally hate any man in a dress.

Hedgehogforshort · 05/10/2026 23:14

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:10

Yeah, I can't see it going anywhere anytime soon. Women are the main audience and many seem to absolutely love it. Nobody really complained about it until the trans thing but now a lot of feminists seem to unconditionally hate any man in a dress.

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Really????? Golly 😂

BackToLurk · 05/10/2026 23:18

Hedgehogforshort · 05/10/2026 23:14

Really????? Golly 😂

Feminists never discussed drag until ‘the trans thing’. Fact. From the same book of facts that brought you ‘feminists only talk about surgery that transpeople have, they never mention cosmetic surgery’.

Hedgehogforshort · 05/10/2026 23:24

I’m a lumberjack and i’m okay
I sleep all night and i work all day
I put on womens clothing and hang around in bars.

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:28

Feminists weren't obsessed with it like they are now. I mean, this thread is literally in the section created to house the overwhelming number of trans threads.

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:33

I'm GC when it comes to sports, bathrooms, etc, but I also think it's a shame it's overshadowed pretty much everything else. Like, Feminism Chat is a ghost town now.

The trans thing is more a matter of principle to me tbh. I'm not in the least worried about meeting a man in a dress in real life. I think I've only ever once been within 20 feet of a trans woman. Aside from that I've maybe seen five or six while out and about in the last few years. So much noise about it online but it's almost like they don't really exist irl.

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:36

Lily Savage? Kids? Were the kids in the show? Or referenced in the show? And we are meant to decide which of these acts is acceptable or more offensive?

Maybe the future of drag is in a detective show cross over style.

She-lock Holmes
Mid-Some-Her Murders
Eye-Line of Duty
A Touch of Frosty Eyeshadow
Hetty Wain-Throbb Investigates

alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:41

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:36

Lily Savage? Kids? Were the kids in the show? Or referenced in the show? And we are meant to decide which of these acts is acceptable or more offensive?

Maybe the future of drag is in a detective show cross over style.

She-lock Holmes
Mid-Some-Her Murders
Eye-Line of Duty
A Touch of Frosty Eyeshadow
Hetty Wain-Throbb Investigates

They were in the show. As was Social Service and her joking about abuse. Which is apparently not as offensive as Tom Daley getting his make-up done.

Dandeloosha · 05/10/2026 23:42

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:10

Yeah, I can't see it going anywhere anytime soon. Women are the main audience and many seem to absolutely love it. Nobody really complained about it until the trans thing but now a lot of feminists seem to unconditionally hate any man in a dress.

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I don’t hate men in dresses at all. I love a man in a kilt, I think rugby players dressed as the Spice Girls is hilarious, and I’m a big fan of the androgynous looks sported by the likes of David Bowie and Harry Styles. A bloke in a dress is just being a bloke in a dress. He isn’t pretending to be something he’s not. Drag is womanface.

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:43

A kilt isn't a dress. 🤣

Bumcake · 05/10/2026 23:44

Wishesandhorses · 05/10/2026 21:16

Mm. Generally thought to be about 2 years isn't it?

What is?

I wouldn’t have recognised him.

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:45

alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:41

They were in the show. As was Social Service and her joking about abuse. Which is apparently not as offensive as Tom Daley getting his make-up done.

Who says it’s not as offensive?! You’re asking people to decide if something you know about that no one else knows about is as offensive as the thing people might know about.

I once saw a drag show that was sooo offensive. Do you not think the content of that show was offensive? If not, why not?

MaIeficent · 05/10/2026 23:48

Dandeloosha · 05/10/2026 23:42

I don’t hate men in dresses at all. I love a man in a kilt, I think rugby players dressed as the Spice Girls is hilarious, and I’m a big fan of the androgynous looks sported by the likes of David Bowie and Harry Styles. A bloke in a dress is just being a bloke in a dress. He isn’t pretending to be something he’s not. Drag is womanface.

I just see it as an extension of the camp gay man act. If that's womanface then surely butch lesbians are kinda doing manface or at least culturally appropriating men.

alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:50

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:45

Who says it’s not as offensive?! You’re asking people to decide if something you know about that no one else knows about is as offensive as the thing people might know about.

I once saw a drag show that was sooo offensive. Do you not think the content of that show was offensive? If not, why not?

That poster says she knew about one of the kids. Unless you think having two makes it somehow more offensive?

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:52

alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:50

That poster says she knew about one of the kids. Unless you think having two makes it somehow more offensive?

But what about the drag show I saw? Do you think that was more or less offensive?

alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:57

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:52

But what about the drag show I saw? Do you think that was more or less offensive?

Definitely.

NotBadConsidering · 05/10/2026 23:59

alcovecupboards · 05/10/2026 23:57

Definitely.

Agreed!

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borntobequiet · 06/10/2026 05:55

Wishesandhorses · 05/10/2026 21:16

Mm. Generally thought to be about 2 years isn't it?

I believe so.

Unfortunately, children are often props in this sort of situation.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 06/10/2026 06:10

I guess there's not much else a professional swimmer can do after he's to old to compete.

Taztoy · 06/10/2026 06:13

personally, I don’t like any drag (not even Lily Savage).

It doesn’t surprise me that Tom Daley has done this.

2021x · 06/10/2026 06:21

I think there are two different definitions of drag.

Old school was about making fun of gender- Widow Twankey, Peter Pan, etc.- and then this morphed into complex characters being portrayed by the opposite sex, i.e. Dame Edna and Lily Savage. They could say things that sounded funny because they were male, and their obvious physicality played into the narrative.

Then ballroom drag... which was a bunch of flamboyant, untalented and shallow gay men who were not willing to put the work in to actually connect with the crowd and develop rounded characters, etc., and the end result is men portraying highly sexualised and often offensive, stereotyped women. This is what drag is now... they don't mind using the word "dolls" to portray what they think a woman is- which is pretty much all you need to know about what these men think of women.

The first type was talented enough to make their act appropriate for their audience, even if they were misogynistic underneath. The second group works fine in a gay club, but cannot really be on mainstream media channels because most people see a man ape-ing a woman. It wouldn't be acceptable about race, and it won't last long nowthat the trans stufff is wrapping up.

Cailleach1 · 06/10/2026 06:36

I suppose the black and white minstrel show was very popular on tv, once.

just to add it lasted for around 20 years. I must admit, I don’t watch any of that drag stuff as I find it more than a bit creepy. I wouldn’t watch the black and white minstrel show for the same reason. I think it is only women that are fair game to parody now though.