Will fewer men discover they have female gendered souls?

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The landscape has changed a lot in the last year or two in the UK. 10 years ago, if a man declared himself a women, many work policies allowed him to use women's changing rooms and toilets on the first day "presenting in his new gender". And he would be lauded as stunning and brave. Thankfully, these policies are getting binned now.

And the landscape is changing elsewhere as well. The IOC coming down on the side of protecting the female category has been really pivotal. If the Democrats in the US continue to push for men to be able to compete in women's sports, they will lose votes.

If tw have to use third spaces, won't be able to compete in women's sports or take women's honours and titles, will discovering their inner lady gendered soul become less appealing? Will.we see fewer sob stories in the metro about someone who was "femme-presenting" that day suffering the indignity of being denied entry to a female changing room?

No it doesn’t help.
Your post drips with a certain arrogance/entitlement. Youve come on here to “debate” but it’s from a position of total ignorance. If you’d bothered to read some threads here or know about the founders of LGB Alliance etc you’d know that many/most people here support gay rights (although these days i find I have to add a small caveat in that i don’t support all claims made by gay activists eg the right to have sex in public/full view as a cultural heritage as was recently the case in Hampstead Heath - thats clearly not a “right”!). youre clearly just spouting talking points based on total ignorance. Medical evidence - please provide. I think you will struggle - the Finnish study doesnt match your claims. De-transition rates - how do you know when no one is counting and theres massive stigma/aggression directed at those who detransition and/or theres no NHS pathway or protocol do statistic gathering is impossible? Your post makes you sound immature and uninformed. Do better next time

Just stop!
im cringing for you.
you might get away with false info elsewhere in life but you’re talking to an audience who will have read Paul Bell’s reports and heard him speak. We are obviously going to take his evidence as more reliable than yours.

It is tiresome having to deal with the scolders over and over but I admit it was quite entertaining having both Masha "James Kirkup Review Writer's Fund backs GC women" and One "AI" Biscuit on the same thread.

We have always known they have no ability to argue their case. Now they rope in AI to do it for them, and AI can't do it either.

AI can only (at best) mimic what humans do. Since no human is able to argue their case because there's no logical or reasonable argument for it, then logically AI can't do it either.

And then at worst AI outright hallucinates stuff - something they would have known if they'd looked into it, and that they both discovered in the process of using it, oops.

Hallucinates? Or regurgitates the Reddit threads it is using for the language prediction? Theres a lot of untruths circulated repeatedly. Garbage in = garbage out. Either way the language, formatting and phraseology is easy to spot - we could say even that it doesn’t “pass” as human

Marsha was late and Sylvia wasn’t even there.
the claim the pride was started by trans people isn’t true.

That's how it's called, even though it's obviously not the same kind of hallucination as a living organism would experience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)

Either way the language, formatting and phraseology is easy to spot - we could say even that it doesn’t “pass” as human

I mean, even the way @OneHardyBiscuit keeps apologising for getting things wrong screams of AI to anyone who's ever chatted with an AI bot.

I thought that too. The "I apologise, thank you for correcting me on that" type of phraseology is very typical of ChatGPT (and maybe others, but that's the one I'm more familiar with).

Totally a backlash against women gaining equality, "trans" is the manosphere showing women that all our hard fought for gains can be taken away from us simply by a bloke popping on a dress. Male supremacy by stealth

Indeed , as per Fred Sergeant who actually was there. But the Stonewall Inn would have to have been bigger than the Vatican to accommodate all the old frauds who claim to have been there for the riot.

Also per Marsha P Johnson. There's footage of him stating he wasn't at Stonewall Inn when it started

I heard it put this way, which made sense to me.

When you ask 'what is the answer to this question' what the LLM does instead is answer the question 'what would the answer to that question look like'.

The output can be quite close to true, or can be absolute bobbins.

The LLM can't tell the difference between 'meh, seems legit' and 'is factually/provably correct', in other words.

Another day, another poor attempt. Masha is your typical TRA, but the Biscuit person is the type who baffles me. They claim to be new to these parts, but they barge in with their hubris, AI, and links they either haven’t read or don’t understand. When I’m new to a place, I take a look around and get a feel for it before wading in two-footed. Even I, with my dodgy memory, can recall that the Williams Institute ‘study’ has been discussed many times on here before. This forum is a microcosm of modern UK feminism and there are some great minds here that have analysed everything over the years, but there is no respect or consideration from Biscuit that we may have heard it all before. Thanks as always to @Ereshkigalangcleg and @Helleofabore for always having the data to hand. One day I’ll be grown up like you too, I hope 😁

Anyone remember that game we played with our children - 'Fact or Opinion?'
The point being that facts and opinions are two different things. I look forward to a return to those days, when someone like Heather Herbert could announce he is a woman and the rest of us with one voice will inform him 'That's your opinion'.

Yes, dear Biscuit, the entire definition of woman is of her biological sex. No amount of bunging in the sneaky use of 'reducing' will alter that.

See, the error in your thinking is the assumption that a person who is a woman must be entirely defined by the fact that she is a woman.

You are right that "reducing a person's entire identity, social reality, and humanity strictly to their biological parts is exactly what the patriarchy has historically done to keep women in a box."

But insisting that this can be changed by allowed human beings who are not women to join her in the box is faulty thinking.

How I live, who I love, the work I do, the kind of home I keep, my hobbies, my interests, my clothes, my hair, my human rights, the name I go by, the pronouns I choose to use - none of these make me a woman, though they make me a person. The only thing that makes me a woman is the body I inhabit, which comes with a sex that cannot be altered. That sex is what makes me a human being who is a woman. And while the body I inhabit comes with certain needs and vulnerabilities, and requires a certain kind of care, it should not be dictating any aspect of my life beyond that.

Great post @Mapletree1985

Most people I've personally encountered who talk about terfs supposedly "reducing women to their biology" are intersectional female academics. It thus came as no surprise to me that the poster revealed she is a student.

The issue is, when even academics misuse data, those who are not likely to question the very logic of ‘how the fuck can any male person claim to be female when there is absolutely no experiential reference point for that claim to be valid’ are also not likely to question the soundbites that those they perceive as being in authority say.

I have been watching Dr Emma Hilton go through that misused brain scan study and she has pointed out the glaring holes in the study that we have been pointing out for years since it started being posted here. The lack of control for sexual orientation in the male people and the seemingly flawed conclusion drawn where a couple of outlier males seem to have not been removed which seem to have influenced the data range for male people. Meaning that the range for male people questionably overlap the general range for female people leading to the conclusion being able to be drawn when the reality is the male people with trans gender identities fit neatly in the ‘male range’ with no overlap of them into the ‘female range’. These are points we have been discussing for years now. Yet that study keeps being mentioned. Maybe one of the research team will reply to Emma Hilton and we will finally get clarity on it.

LLMs are just a conjuring trick. There is nothing intelligent about AI it's just a fancy version of predictive text on your phone.

plus let's say we discover there is some biological marker correlated with the worst cases of cross sex body dysmorphia.

Great news for the trans community, right?

Well imagine in that scenario, being the run of the mill middle-aged spicy straight male with a clothing/humiliation fetish (and sadly lacking that marker)? They'd be shit out of luck... hashtag sad times

Similar reasoning applies to "preferred pronouns". The closer I am to someone emotionally, the more uncomfortable I am with using the pronouns that don't make sense to me. Calling a man I have known since he was a baby "she" makes me extremely uncomfortable. Who can say which is more offensive, me being coerced to use "she", or the man having to hear me say "he"? We have been told what to think, and told what is "right", without any acknowledgement that there could be other ways to think, other ethical frameworks, including the one most of us have lived with and in for the whole of our lives.

A new secular religion was cooked up in a small subsection of academia and imposed on society. No debate. But many more of us have woken up to this imposition since the pioneers started to raise awareness,

The situation in Scotland has made this very clear, a very good example being Andrew Burns/Mr Mighty Almighty/Obi Wan Kenobi/Mitzababy/Tiffany Scott who very nearly succeeded in being transferred to the women's prison estate...in spite of the fact that it was deemed too dangerous to allow him into court for an offence committed whilst he was in prison.

Nonsense. You'll be telling us next that poor old Katie Dolatowski was the victim because the 10 yr old girl who fought her off in Morrison's toilets in Kirkcaldy punched Katie in the balls.

I think this may be why the oppression hierarchy has become such a critical part of the argument. Since I am "privileged" by my "cis-ness", my moral obligation is to prioritize the comfort of someone less "privileged" than me. Since trans people are "the most oppressed", they come first in the queue for having their comfort considered.

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. The pigs are identifying as chickens, which makes them doubly oppressed: first, because they are chickens, a historically oppressed group, and secondly because of the terrible struggle they must undergo to persuade the farm to accept them as chickens. Poor Boxer has decided the solution is to "be kinder". He's working really hard at being kind. Some chickens are helping the pigs build nests and are slipping eggs in to validate the pigs' identities. Meanwhile Benjamin is down in the bottom acre staring away into the distance and wondering when all the animals became so stupid.

Indeed, Bez. It would be a moment of great drama.

Remember when someone from the south coast of UK was going to release to the public the evidence that there was a biological marker.... that got shut down very quickly.