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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is being trans a 'disease'/mental health issue?

437 replies

SolveMyPrombles · 26/06/2026 20:05

I'm asking on this board for deliberate considered responses so please do share your thoughts.

A lady on a local group has described being trans as a mental illness that should be treated with compassion not pandered to because it's a disease.

Looking into it more deeply I believe she's wrong and there is no current diagnostic manual that agrees with her take.

What do you think?

OP posts:
murasaki · Yesterday 01:12

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:08

Except gendered inclinations are as much biologically influenced as they are socially so change is unlikely.

Pink as a clothing choice was predominantly male until relatively recently.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 01:13

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:09

No. Its a product of biological & environmental influences that are socially categorised.

Back to stereotypes then.

murasaki · Yesterday 01:13

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:07

Oh my god. Am I witnessing an actual "there's a hierarchy among women according to boob size" argument in the wild??

My best friend has smaller tits than I do but earns more, shall I tell her she needs to hand over the difference in salary? 😂

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:17

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:02

I'm really baffled that you seem to think that not only does everyone see those socially constructed categories, but everyone also sees them the same, and everyone accepts them, and then everyone internalises them, and finally everyone categorises themselves based on those external categories. That's just so many levels of unfounded assumptions...

That's not what I said. Clearly many people like gender critical people don't acknowledge biological influences that influence gendered inclinations & consider them purely patriarchal/cultural influences AND as such reject gendered categorisations.

But for rational people, who are able to recognise their biologically induced patterns of behaviour that fall into socially constructed categories its different.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:19

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:07

Oh my god. Am I witnessing an actual "there's a hierarchy among women according to boob size" argument in the wild??

It's no different from expensive hand bag competitiveness. You seriously believe women don't compete with one another aesthetically?

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:21

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 01:02

So you also think that gender is a human construct?

No, again, gendered inclinations are biologically & environmentally influenced but their social categorisation is a human construct.

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:22

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:17

That's not what I said. Clearly many people like gender critical people don't acknowledge biological influences that influence gendered inclinations & consider them purely patriarchal/cultural influences AND as such reject gendered categorisations.

But for rational people, who are able to recognise their biologically induced patterns of behaviour that fall into socially constructed categories its different.

Ah yes, those well-known rational people who think that it's perfectly natural and logical for people to inflict medical damage on their healthy bodies. The epitome of Reason indeed.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:23

murasaki · Yesterday 01:06

Patronising much? I don't believe it does.

Your GC framework preventing you to think rationally might be the culprit here.

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:24

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:19

It's no different from expensive hand bag competitiveness. You seriously believe women don't compete with one another aesthetically?

Sure they do. But thinking that big boobs are the top of boob aesthetics is a typically male belief, not a female one at all.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:25

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 01:13

Back to stereotypes then.

Social categories based on typical behaviours. Still not getting the difference between 'typical' & 'expectations'? Try a dictionary.

NellieBly · Yesterday 01:25

Zoonosis · 26/06/2026 21:06

The brain is the software, the body is the hardware. This isn't pulled out of nowhere, this is supported by multiple studies that show trans people's brains differ from cis people's in the parts that deal with self-image and self-perception, you can google if you actually have a shred of good faith interest.

Transition isn't about damaging the body; change isn't damage, especially not if the person who lives in that body doesn't perceive it as such (and their opinion counts above yours, I'm afraid). I'm reminded of the words of a trans man friend of mine who said that when he started taking testosterone it felt like coming home to his body for the first time ever in his life.

You lost me at "cis"

I was following your argument until you inserted that horrible word.

Also, I just realised that you are stating that there are hundreds of studies showing differences in brains between trans people and non-trans people. There aren't. There are not hundreds of studies and there aren't measurable differences between brains in this way.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:30

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:24

Sure they do. But thinking that big boobs are the top of boob aesthetics is a typically male belief, not a female one at all.

Aesthetics is personal. Speaking for all women again? Some would say that people who assume women can't enjoy/use their bodies their bodies without the male gaze is misogynistic. In fact studies show upto 90% of women engage in AGP.

NellieBly · Yesterday 01:31

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:30

Aesthetics is personal. Speaking for all women again? Some would say that people who assume women can't enjoy/use their bodies their bodies without the male gaze is misogynistic. In fact studies show upto 90% of women engage in AGP.

No they don't. (90% of "studies".)
You just made that up

Seethlaw · Yesterday 01:36

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:30

Aesthetics is personal. Speaking for all women again? Some would say that people who assume women can't enjoy/use their bodies their bodies without the male gaze is misogynistic. In fact studies show upto 90% of women engage in AGP.

Precisely: aesthetics is personal, hence why women don't have a hierarchy according to boob size. My point, exactly.

In fact studies show up to 90% of women engage in AGP.

Well, duh. Women sexually enjoy their bodies and the thought of having a female body. Wow. What a shock... What was your point again?

IwantToRetire · Yesterday 02:01

I'm beginning to wonder whether the OP question is as niave as it might seem on first reading, or whether it is another or the now endless threads started to take up time with getting FWRers to repeat what most of us know, so that as a whole FWR just becomes ground hog day instead of moving forward.

Rednorth · Yesterday 02:01

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:28

I don't have a gender identity

Well you are either gender conforming to your sex or not.

This is the exact kind of utter BS that confuses kids in the first place.

ThatZanyFatball · Yesterday 02:08

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:12

Gender refers to the socially constructed categories of behaviours, expressions, and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender-diverse people. The idea common behaviours don't exist among the sexes is as mentally distorted as what an anorexic believes.

If the "behaviours, expressions, and identities" are socially constructed, then how does mimicking them physically transform a person into the opposite sex?

BreakingBroken · Yesterday 02:10

body dysmorphia disorder is listed in the dsmd as an illness.

Rednorth · Yesterday 02:11

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:19

It's no different from expensive hand bag competitiveness. You seriously believe women don't compete with one another aesthetically?

JFC... You really turned this to handbags?!

This stinks of TIM optics of women.

bathofbeans · Yesterday 02:24

Is being trans a 'disease'/mental health issue?

I believe its a social construct.
For some it's an adolescent phase, experimentation, a trend
Some are genuinely confused and overwhelmed
Some are hiding within it from some kind of trauma
Some use it as their main form of identity, to be part of a group
Some use it to exhibit, or veil, some kind of paraphilia
. . . probably other reasons too

feministmom4ever · Yesterday 02:30

There isn’t a simple answer to your question because there are multiple disorders (for lack of a better term) that fall under the “trans” umbrella. RGOD, AGP, “traditional transexual”, internalized homophobia, body dysmorphia…

Helleofabore · Yesterday 04:13

SolveMyPrombles · 26/06/2026 22:32

Well except they are. I've met wonderful transwomen who just live their lives as women with no drama.

‘No drama’ does not equate to ‘no demands’.

Even if you, personally and voluntarily, use the word ‘woman’ as a reference to a male person’s belief about themselves because that is how that person describes themself, that is in essence a demand to use female language for a male person based on their belief about their identity.

Have you ever tried to not use female language for them? Ever seen anyone else in their live not use the language they have asked for even just passively through their self description that others then use for whatever reason? Or do they cut contact those people who don’t?

Cheese55 · Yesterday 06:22

Overworkedandknackered · 26/06/2026 22:04

My best guess would be if someone actually genuinely believes they are the opposite sex then they have a mental health issue (I don’t believe there are many of these people) vs someone feels that they should be the opposite sex and plays out stereotypes to try to get other people to go along with their wants but knows really what sex they are when it comes to going for a smear or a prostate check (the majority of trans people) is not a mental health issue, it’s just ‘personality’

Is it that they (men) feel they are the opposite sex or want to be?

Cheese55 · Yesterday 06:36

Mapletree1985 · 26/06/2026 20:47

Of course it is. It's a normalised mental illness. To some extent, a mental illness is a social construct just like gender.

How is psychosis a social construct?

Cheese55 · Yesterday 06:45

Baileyonice · Yesterday 01:19

It's no different from expensive hand bag competitiveness. You seriously believe women don't compete with one another aesthetically?

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

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