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Rowling Makes a Stand

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JadeLeader · 20/06/2026 01:06

Ok, so I know the educated classes hate us and our Dear Leader, but she's really not doing herself any favours here...

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Heggettypeg · 22/06/2026 11:15

I wonder if there is a connection between the Irish goddess and Brigantia, the territory/ goddess in the North of England?

MarieDeGournay · 22/06/2026 11:22

Heggettypeg · 22/06/2026 11:15

I wonder if there is a connection between the Irish goddess and Brigantia, the territory/ goddess in the North of England?

Well spotted - quite possibly! the Celtic names are similar.
There were Celts called Brigantes elsewhere too - Briançon in France was Brigantium in Roman times.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2026 11:23

MarieDeGournay · 22/06/2026 10:42

I'm actually Irish, and I actually had a great-aunt who was not only a domestic servant, she was actually called Bridget! A real-life 'Biddy'. Smile
Emigrated young, worked all her life cleaning other people's houses, never saw Ireland again - she might have been able to save up the fare home, only she sent money back to support our family.

I don't know about all the other things you mention, I'd be content with people like Emily - who is so exquisitely sensitive about other peoples' wrongs - not using the name as an insult, once they've learnt the derivation.

Plenty of Bridgets in my family. My great great aunt emigrated to California. Yep. A servant.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2026 11:32

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 10:13

I have to admit I fast forwarded the thread, expecting a load of tedious teeth-grinding about JKR. I was cheered right up to find Emily's wee post at the end, but I'm grateful for the insight into what I may have missed in the middle. 😊

Did you know that Bridget had a MAGIC CLOAK??!

'Brigit, the Saint, much like the Goddess, is often associated with three things: fertility, abundance and protection. She was born in the middle of the 5th century; she lived, as a child, with a druid, and drank the milk of Otherworld cows – even within the Christianised version of Brigit there are elements of mythology weaved through her story. Fire became a symbol associated with Brigit after a bishop came across her praying in a small church she had founded, with a fire appearing and growing around her and the building. Legend has it that twenty nuns (Brigit being one) would guard the fire that had continued to burn for 500 years, even after Brigit’s death. The Goddess’ connection to fire may seem more tenuous than that of the Saint, however the Goddess Brigit is said to represent fire’s transformative properties through her power of healing.
There are a number of symbols that evoke the memory of Saint Brigit, beyond that of fire, including the cross of rushes, and a cloak. It is said that Brigit fashioned a cross from rushes that were on the floor so that she could convert a man to Christianity on his deathbed.
As for the cloak, Brigit used this as a means of getting what she was promised by a King of Leinster. Brigit had founded a religious house in Kildare, and as her community grew she requested land from the king in order to build a monastery. He agreed, only to renege soon after. Frustrated at his constant stalling, Brigit finally asked him to at least let her have as much land as her cloak would cover. Laughing at the meagre size of her cloak, the king conceded. Four nuns then picked up the corners and proceeded to run the four directions of the compass, continuing to cover the land until the king begged Brigit to stop, and gave her what was promised.'

https://heritageireland.ie/2026/01/brigit-the-goddess-and-the-saint/

The King of Leinster should have expected some shenaniganery with the cloak. I've heard similar tales, although usually the cloak (or oxhide) was cut into thin stripes and used to encompass the promised land. A quick Google has AI telling me Queen Dido did this to claim the land used to found Carthage! A magical stretchy cloak was probably not expected though. He'd probably confiscated all the knives and scissors as a precaution.

As for 'babbling' , it has a 'history' all the way back to Babel. It's the first way that babies try to use language to speak to their mum. And who wouldn't like to while away a sunny day along the side of a babbling stream.

MoistVonL · 22/06/2026 11:33

My friend is Brigid rather than Brigit, but she celebrates her saint's day in style each year.

Celery is essential in so many dishes, as part of soffrito/mirepoix. It is also a nice snack when the central groove is filled with cream cheese - or Boursin.

Bara birth and Yorkshire Tea Loaf are pretty much the same thing, judging my my grandmother's recipe for the former and Betty's recipe for the latter. It's quite nice with cheese but I prefer it with just butter.

Have I missed any other digressions?

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 11:39

lcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2026 11:32

The King of Leinster should have expected some shenaniganery with the cloak. I've heard similar tales, although usually the cloak (or oxhide) was cut into thin stripes and used to encompass the promised land. A quick Google has AI telling me Queen Dido did this to claim the land used to found Carthage! A magical stretchy cloak was probably not expected though. He'd probably confiscated all the knives and scissors as a precaution.

As for 'babbling' , it has a 'history' all the way back to Babel. It's the first way that babies try to use language to speak to their mum. And who wouldn't like to while away a sunny day along the side of a babbling stream.

I was thinking that babbling tied in nicely with Brigid/Bride's connection to wells and springs.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 22/06/2026 11:43

MoistVonL · 22/06/2026 11:33

My friend is Brigid rather than Brigit, but she celebrates her saint's day in style each year.

Celery is essential in so many dishes, as part of soffrito/mirepoix. It is also a nice snack when the central groove is filled with cream cheese - or Boursin.

Bara birth and Yorkshire Tea Loaf are pretty much the same thing, judging my my grandmother's recipe for the former and Betty's recipe for the latter. It's quite nice with cheese but I prefer it with just butter.

Have I missed any other digressions?

A very small one into fen drainage 🙂

lcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2026 11:56

Thanks for he reminder. I made some bara brith a couple of weeks ago (very nice) but I found a recipe for it with yeast. I thinking of trying it out and I'd totally forgotten about it.

I went on holiday in the fens a few years ago. Iirc it's only relatively recently that the Broads were recognised as being man made. Considering the size of the holes that were dug, the whole infrastructure that must have existed round it, it's astonishing it was forgotten. Although I expect the locals knew and there were probably fringe scientists who had their suspicions.

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 11:58

for anyone with an interest, this is a fantastic interactive map of holy wells throughout the UK. Largely the work of Andy Norfolk, sadly not covering Ireland, where there are other projects to map wells dedicated to St Bride/Brigit.

https://oldwells.co.uk/

Old Wells – A personal journey

https://oldwells.co.uk

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 11:59

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ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 12:01

Well, MN is censoring the map of Ireland's holy wells! Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

Meanwhile, here's an article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56216763

There is a link in that article to the map, just under the photo of the stone.

St Cooey's Well

Holy wells: Mapping Ireland's hidden heritage

A team of academics is hoping to put holy wells on the map before some are lost forever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56216763

Chersfrozenface · 22/06/2026 12:01

Heggettypeg · 22/06/2026 11:15

I wonder if there is a connection between the Irish goddess and Brigantia, the territory/ goddess in the North of England?

Yes it is. It comes from the Proto-Celtic *Brigantī which means "the high one" or "the exalted one".

'brig' still means 'top, highest point' in modern Welsh. E.g. a football team that's top of its league would be "ar y brig".

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 12:04

I like to think the old goddesses are very clever at manifesting themselves. They lie buried in names and words, and even insults, ready to spring forth when summoned. And sometimes people don't even know they are summoning them. 😊

mrshoho · 22/06/2026 12:10

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 12:04

I like to think the old goddesses are very clever at manifesting themselves. They lie buried in names and words, and even insults, ready to spring forth when summoned. And sometimes people don't even know they are summoning them. 😊

Love this. They walk among us and within us. Patiently waiting to be summoned.

DeanElderberry · 22/06/2026 12:22

Brigid with her cloak and her Biddies.

Believe it or believe it not, the white and stripes square is green white and violet.

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DeanElderberry · 22/06/2026 12:30

lcakethereforeIam · 22/06/2026 11:56

Thanks for he reminder. I made some bara brith a couple of weeks ago (very nice) but I found a recipe for it with yeast. I thinking of trying it out and I'd totally forgotten about it.

I went on holiday in the fens a few years ago. Iirc it's only relatively recently that the Broads were recognised as being man made. Considering the size of the holes that were dug, the whole infrastructure that must have existed round it, it's astonishing it was forgotten. Although I expect the locals knew and there were probably fringe scientists who had their suspicions.

Norfolk Broads history examined and proved by a woman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Lambert

Joyce Lambert - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Lambert

DustyWindowsills · 22/06/2026 12:43

DeanElderberry · 22/06/2026 12:30

Norfolk Broads history examined and proved by a woman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Lambert

Thanks for that. 👍🏻

While we're on the subject of women leading research on wetlands history, there's an excellent book on Romney Marsh (Kent) by Jill Eddison, Romney Marsh: Survival on a Frontier.

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2026 12:57

DeanElderberry · 22/06/2026 12:30

Norfolk Broads history examined and proved by a woman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Lambert

Fascinating!

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 22/06/2026 12:57

I thought the whole point was that WPATH was full of people with bias and non evidence-based scientific reasons for their 'guidelines'. I.e. not qualified.

Didn't they ask for a scientific review which didn't say what they wanted it to so they suppressed it?

And anyone is 'qualified' to speak up on safeguarding - it's one of the central tenets of safeguarding. If you see what you have reasonable grounds to think is child abuse (e.g. drugs that will lead to sterilization of children based on no scientific evidence dressed up as 'healthcare'), you must speak up.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 22/06/2026 12:58

May I introduce Ethel Rudkin?
She was a historian and archivist who collected everything from stories, folklore, wart cures, witch balls, cheesemaking equipment to gigantic farm wagons. I've seen some wagons, they are ginormous and some can convert to a two wheeled trap, the front bit disconnects somehow. She filled up several farmers barns and when sought out by students who rediscovered her in the 1970s could be found excavating salt pans. Plus she has a cracking good name.

I don't have any of her books, last time I tried to find some I failed, must have another look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethel_Rudkin

JanesLittleGirl · 22/06/2026 13:11

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 21/06/2026 21:23

It was a long time ago, I cannot remember on what occasion or where we bought it. I expect he still has the book but I haven't seen it for ages. Anyhow, it was a history of fen drainage, the sort of thing you'd usually find in a reference section full of detailed facts and figures and no pictures. I find the whole thing fascinating too but it really does my head in trying to work out how it works! There was a whole lot going on about the Witham Navigable Drains at one point. When he was about 8 he used to take this book to school, and found all the Pokemon, chasing footballs and stuff completely baffling.

We don't live in the fens but there's still a lot of drainage going on all the way up to the Humber. If you want to have your head done in have a look at the draining of Hatfield Chase, started by Charles I and still not really working, especially when the Don floods.

Thanks anyway. I understand fen drainage in principle, it's the practice that defeats me. My friend lives on the edge of March and has a dike flowing past her house. The dike is draining the fen and carries the water on to March where it discharges into the river Nene.

So far, so good. The only thing is: Match is 8 metres above sea level, my friend's house is 4 metres above sea level and the fen is 2 metres below sea level! How does the water flow uphill?

SadTimesInFife · 22/06/2026 13:13

@MoistVonL waffles were also mentioned!

SadTimesInFife · 22/06/2026 13:18

JK's big on cloaks!
(So is Claudia Winkleman. I am far too excited about The Traitors next season!! )

Celery is better if you run a potato peeler down the corrugated side...