Continuation of Polypostwonder thread

[Imdunfer]

Follow on from this thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5532352-the-liminality-of-sex-perception-sex-based-spaces-and-bodily-autonomy?page=39

For argument sake, I understand Blaire White to be a woman. This is independent of the knowledge she chose to only undergo cosmetic facial surgeries and breast augmentation, while retaining everything else.
I think I remember reading that she politically aligns 'right' and is politically vocal about being a male, living as a trans woman. I'm not 100% sure, though. It's not a way that I could understand living, but it is financially lucrative in her case.

There is a person who declares themselves to be male.

That person chooses to live presenting as a female.

In spite of their self declaration as a male, complete with male genitals, you understand that they are a woman.

And you ascribe their understanding of themselves being male, at least partly, to financial motives.

This is either monumentally arrogant or monumentally stupid thinking, or possibly both. Or perhaps you just like playing with a largely female forum and seeing how many feathers you can ruffle.

One thing is for sure, and that is that I don't think anything you write on this subject from now on is going to be of any value to read.

I agree that it is deliberate and it is abusive.

Because this is a person who has got away so long with deliberately obfuscating the material reality of their sex category snd has spent decades linguistically justifying it.

I never thought of that but it’s 30/40 years of perfecting believable lies, isnt it.

Us - Men should not be in women's spaces.

PPW - I agree with you men should not be in women's spaces (spoken) but I'm not a man I'm a woman (unspoken)

It took me quite a while to realise that's what he was doing, and why he appeared to be reasonable one moment then completely unreasonable the next.

It's deliberate and intended to mislead and confuse, imo.

Yes.

Sorry Imdunfer

Many of us have been around this cycle with this poster for months.

“PPW - I agree with you men should not be in women's spaces (spoken) but I'm not a man I'm a woman (unspoken)”

This is exactly the discussion since February.

It’s not even unspoken. It’s just not said every time and you have to dig for it.

Another layering effect is when a male poster claims the word female applies to him and then writes some kind of justification as to why.

Then makes a claim to be the ‘first woman’ to do something in their workplace. Or was put into a role representing women. And claims that this is right and progressive.

Because he didn’t ask to be the first woman to achieve something or to be put into a role representing women. It was ‘done to’ him. Because the people offering the opportunity ‘understood’ him to be female so that makes it all good.

That is again part of the deception layering. And of a male person never once taking responsibility for their decision to not correct anyone’s perceptions or anyone’s political act (getting the role because the organisation knew full well that it was a male person they were appointing to that role) while reaping the benefits of that perception or political action.

Some of those male people taking the acclaim for being the first woman in their organisation to be in a certain role, will justify it by saying that they ‘forged the way’ and opened the door for ‘other’ women so that is a great achievement. This is not just claimed by some male posters on FWR but also people like Levine who claimed to be the highest ranking ‘woman’.

All that layering to distract from the harm that a female person did not achieve that accomplishment. It was just another man.

Everything was done to him. Everything was assumed, or imposed on him. Nothing at all was driven by him. He did nuffink.

So you have never seen a doctor? Ever? Because they would certainly need to know. You’ve never used women’s single sex facilities? Because the service providers and other users would also need to know.