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The Bluestocking Womens Pub in an Adventure with Pirates!

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Magpiecomplex · 29/05/2026 10:43

New thread. You know the deal - women's pub, men to the Staunch Ally next door.

Some of us are currently on the trail of an international seed smuggling ring, just for background information.

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Chickadeeinme · 01/06/2026 13:36

We have no magpies on our side of the pond (except for wherever @Magpiecomplexis in the adventure) but we do see goldfinch, jays and cardinals and of course chickadees.

MarieDeGournay · 01/06/2026 13:56

Chickadeeinme · 01/06/2026 13:36

We have no magpies on our side of the pond (except for wherever @Magpiecomplexis in the adventure) but we do see goldfinch, jays and cardinals and of course chickadees.

Cardinals - now there's another bird I might have believed were mythical and not real, because I only ever saw them on Christmas cards from the American cousins.
I know they are real, not mythical, but I still think they are a bit magical✨Smile
Have you ever seen a bluebird, Chickadeeinme?
A real one, obvs, an American Bluebird which I see on google are present in the NE.

The Bluestocking Womens Pub in an Adventure with Pirates!
Chickadeeinme · 01/06/2026 14:01

@MarieDeGournayI have! Only once since we are at the very northern end of their range, but a few years ago, when we lived further out in the country than we do now, one settled on a fence post near my office window. It was slightly bigger than I thought and a beautiful shade of blue, as in your photo. Never having seen one before I had to look up an image to check I was right in what I thought.

DauntlessDamson · 01/06/2026 14:09

I picked this up from X. It is a precis of a publication from 2022 called Scientific Reports, by the Max Planck Institute for Human Development in Berlin, about the effects of birdsong on the human brain. It feels very apt, given our recent topic of conversation:

'When birds sing in your garden, your brain receives a signal that it has interpreted for hundreds of thousands of years as a single piece of information: there is no danger. Not an impression. A mechanism. Throughout the entire evolutionary history of mammals, the sudden silence of birds preceded the presence of a predator. Their continuous song signaled the opposite: the environment is safe, resources are available, the nervous system can drop its vigilance. This wiring hasn’t disappeared.

Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development in Berlin subjected 295 participants to six minutes of birdsong or traffic noise in a randomized experiment. The birdsong significantly reduced anxiety and anxious thoughts—measurable effects on mental state after just six minutes of listening. A more recent study followed 233 people on a thirty-minute walk in a park, measuring blood pressure, heart rate, and salivary cortisol before and after. Cortisol levels dropped by an average of 33%. Participants who had actively paid attention to the birdsong around them saw even more pronounced results. No need to identify the species. No need to know their names. Just listen. The morning song is not background noise. It’s a report on the state of life around you. What your garden attracts, your brain hears.

The extract goes on to point out that industrialised countries have lost significant proportions of common bird species in the last few decades, while there has been a significant increase in levels of anxiety in society. I'm always wary of correlational statistics being presented as causal links, but it is quite interesting.

Thehorticulturalhussie · 01/06/2026 14:21

That’s very interesting and does make sense. We have a dawn chorus loud enough to wake us up in spring and summer and there’s constant chirruping, tweeting, trilling and squawking in the garden. Merlin hears at least 20 species every day, frequently more. It’s such a pleasure to sit at the top of the garden with a blackcap singing in the tree above me. Less tuneful is the pheasant who tries to pick a fight at 5am with the love rival he sees in the greenhouse glass.

EdithStourton · 01/06/2026 15:12

We have semi-feral peacocks in this village and their racket is NOT restful (even less so than the local pheasants) - but birdsong in the garden and when out walking is lovely to hear, so I can well believe that piece of research, Damson.

I ate at a restaurant once where the soundtrack was birdsong, and it was incredibly soothing.

Hasn't it been posited that the reason that parkland (in the Capability Brow sense) is so popular is that it puts us in mind of our evolutionary past? Open grassland, so there is food for prey species but also good sight-lines for spotting predators, trees for food, shelter and to climb up when a predator appears, and a nice body of water or a gurgling stream so we know we can drink, plus the odd wandering herd of deer.

There's a reason suburbanites get upset when the Council decides to chop down street trees.

MarieDeGournay · 01/06/2026 15:42

Open grassland, so there is food for prey species but also good sight-lines for spotting predators, trees for food, shelter and to climb up when a predator appears, and a nice body of water or a gurgling stream so we know we can drink, plus the odd wandering herd of deer.
There's a reason suburbanites get upset when the Council decides to chop down street trees.

Because if they do - yes, we have no savannahs😁

ChristmasStars · 01/06/2026 16:32

Throughout the entire evolutionary history of mammals, the sudden silence of birds preceded the presence of a predator.

That's so interesting @DauntlessDamson and reminds me of several years ago when we were in the path of totality of an eclipse. The birds stopped singing and I felt a slight panic, even though I knew it was an eclipse, not that rare, and soon the sun would come out again and all would be fine. I wonder if it was that kind of trigger.

EdithStourton · 01/06/2026 17:58

I wonder if it was that kind of trigger.
I would think that it probably was.

I always say that I never know what a walk will give me. Today I sat B&B up and went around the next corner of a bridleway, because I couldn't remember how much further it was to the lane. And I saw a fox, about 20 yards away, already half into the undergrowth, so all I got was its haunch, back legs and tail - lots of very deep russet fur, an extremely bushy tail - this was a fox in peak condition. It froze, and I walked forward very quietly. Once it was sure that I was approaching, it disappeared into the hedge.

B&B didn't see it, but they sure as hell smelt it. Batshit was all in favour of following the scent to wherever it led her (down into the ditch, to begin with - 'Batshit, let's not, come on...'). Brains, though, seems to be able to work out the age of scent quite quickly, and was aware that any self-respecting fox would be well away. She carried on down the bridleway to the corner of the field were we have the okay to come through a gap and walk around the margin to the farmyard. Along the margin I found a buzzard feather, and coming up to the farmyard there was the very desiccated back leg of a hare. We also saw a very young rabbit running hell for leather for cover.

It was a lovely walk, even though it was quite humid (we are promised lots of rain, but I've watered the pots anyway). The dog roses are pretty much at peak, as is the wild honeysuckle. Any fields with phacelia in them are pale mauve, which is much prettier than the acid yellow of the OSR that was assaulting my eye a few weeks ago. And there is another nest of baby birds screeching their heads off, I think in next door's hedge...

MyrtleLion · 01/06/2026 18:08

The Laminated Napkin

In which we discover why Boiledbeetle crossed the Atlantic in a smugglers' yacht...

The following morning found most of the crew gathered aboard The Dreadnork.

The laminated napkin recovered from the smugglers' yacht lay in the middle of the chart table while Gosie, Octavia, @Hedgehogforshort, @RandomHypatia, @Chickadeeinme and several gerbils examined it with increasing frustration.

The crew had already spent several hours discussing the napkin when @Boiledbeetle wandered into the chart room carrying a Tunnock’s Teacake. “It’s a pickup at Head Light during high tide on Tuesday the second of June,” she said.

RandomHypatia immediately unfolded the tide tables recovered from the yacht.

Gosie looked up from the chart table. “How do you know that?”

“I heard them talking about it.”

“On the yacht?”

“Yes.”

Nobody had actually questioned Boily very closely about her three-week stay aboard the smugglers’ yacht. By the time they found her nest among the marina brochures there had been rather more urgent matters to deal with.

“What were you doing on the yacht?” asked Hedgehog.

Boily looked puzzled. “Sleeping.”

“My mistake,” said Hedgehog. “That explains everything.” It didn’t.

Boily sighed patiently. “I hid some Tunnock’s in a crate.”

“Then what happened?”

“I had a nap.”

“In the crate?” asked Gosie.

“It was a very comfortable crate.”

“So how did you end up on the yacht?”

Boily considered this. “I may have slept through that part.”

Chickadee hopped onto the edge of the chart table and looked down at the napkin. “Head Light is the lighthouse,” she said. “Portland Head Light.”

RandomHypatia looked up from the tide tables she had been perusing. “That makes sense,” she said. “High tide on Tuesday, second of June is 9.7 metres at 00:49. The pickup’s tonight. Just after midnight.”

“But if Aurelia was ready for reconstruction, and Customs have already seized the cargo,” said Gosie, “what are they picking up?”

Chickadee frowned. “Obviously something that isn’t Aurelia.”

@Swashbuckled stood up. “Then we’d better be there.”

The Viking longboat drifted below Portland Head Light while the serious Scandinavians rested on their oars. The reconnaissance party occupied the middle benches. The gerbils occupied considerably more space than their physical dimensions should have permitted.

What had begun as a telescope had somehow become an observation station. Glasseye had brought another telescope. Granite produced a folding desk. Gunwale placed a brass desk lamp next to the second telescope. Governance was updating Coastal Observation Procedures while Gravitas reviewed a second document entitled Amendments to Coastal Observation Procedures.

The landing below the lighthouse remained empty. That did not prevent the gerbils from collecting data. Distances were measured. Angles were calculated. Tide movements were recorded. At one point Gimbal and Gasket produced a folding blackboard and began covering it with figures.

By the time RandomHypatia glanced over, the blackboard contained a bewildering collection of numbers, arrows and diagrams. “Your current solution assumes a crosswind.”

“In case a crosswind develops.” Gimbal returned to the board.

The discussion continued for several minutes. Additional calculations appeared. Guidance objected to the handwriting. Gondola attempted to eat a corner of the blackboard.

Throughout all of this, @DauntlessDamson and @Thehorticulturalhussie sat quietly in the bow looking at the sea. Occasionally DauntlessDamson would say, “Mm” while Hussie would nod and reply, “Mm”. Clearly a great deal of information was being exchanged.

The first sign of activity came from the lighthouse. A vehicle arrived. Boxes were unloaded and transferred to a launch waiting at the dock.

Governance immediately opened a fresh notebook and wrote Compliance Failures across the top of the first page. The first bullet point she wrote was, No visible paperwork.

The launch headed out to sea carrying its cargo. A few minutes later navigation lights indicated that the Rustler was rounding the headland. The launch came alongside.

Cargo moved from one vessel to the other. Governance began writing much faster. Glockenspiel produced a ruler. Gimbal rejected the ruler and produced a superior ruler. Guidance unfolded a chart. Gravitas added a supplementary appendix.

Gosie followed the transfer through binoculars as most of the containers vanished into shadow. Then one crossed beneath a deck light. Clearly visible on the side of the crate was the circle crossed by three diagonal lines.

At the other end of the longboat, the gerbils had reached what appeared to be a conclusion. Governance closed the notebook. Gravitas signed something.

Glockenspiel pulled a tarpaulin aside. A large ballista occupied most of the bow. The gerbils gathered around the ballista with obvious excitement. Ropes were checked. Angles were reviewed. Gasket made a minor adjustment to the elevation.

“Ready,” announced Gimbal.

DauntlessDamson looked at the machine. Then she looked at the yacht. Then she drew her bow.

Her arrow vanished into the darkness trailing a line behind it. A heartbeat later the grappling rope snapped tight against the Rustler’s rail. Then DauntlessDamson and Hussie started boarding the yacht.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/the-laminated-napkin

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fanOfBen · 01/06/2026 18:20

Sorry to interrupt...I don't think this deserves its own thread (high bar for making a thread specifically to talk about what's going on on reddit) but if I don't post this somewhere I'm going to burst. They are so close to getting it.

Thread title: "i can't believe i have to say this but trans people aside from trans women exist too."

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1tqjf3q/i_cant_believe_i_have_to_say_this_but_trans/

DauntlessDamson · 01/06/2026 18:27

Ooh, thank you Myrtle. This is getting exciting!

Thehorticulturalhussie · 01/06/2026 18:32

DauntlessDamson · 01/06/2026 18:27

Ooh, thank you Myrtle. This is getting exciting!

It it isn't it? When I wandered into the BS a few weeks ago I had no idea that any of this would happen.

MarieDeGournay · 01/06/2026 18:35

fanOfBen · 01/06/2026 18:20

Sorry to interrupt...I don't think this deserves its own thread (high bar for making a thread specifically to talk about what's going on on reddit) but if I don't post this somewhere I'm going to burst. They are so close to getting it.

Thread title: "i can't believe i have to say this but trans people aside from trans women exist too."

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1tqjf3q/i_cant_believe_i_have_to_say_this_but_trans/

Wow, that's ...interesting! transmen objecting to being invisible to transwomen unless being used as a 'gotcha' about butch women getting beaten up in the ladies'..
Men ignoring women. Fancy that!

MarieDeGournay · 01/06/2026 18:38

Very exciting episode, Myrtle!

What I love about the gerbils is that they are so keen on note-taking and rulers and appendices and supplementary appendices.
But they also make themselves sick spinning on office chairs, and try to take bites out of black boards😁

ErrolTheDragon · 01/06/2026 18:48

Welcome FanOfBen - I can’t remember if you’ve dropped in before but pull up a chair and ask a gerbil for a drink of your choice. Or ascend Peak Woo with a megaphone first if that helps!

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/06/2026 18:58

Since Kitty successfully infiltrated the Rustler’s crew once to find evidence & point the way, @MyrtleLion, she might be on there again now?

Or she might be relaxing somewhere using Boily’s slippers as a pillow, I don’t know.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/06/2026 19:02

MarieDeGournay · 01/06/2026 18:38

Very exciting episode, Myrtle!

What I love about the gerbils is that they are so keen on note-taking and rulers and appendices and supplementary appendices.
But they also make themselves sick spinning on office chairs, and try to take bites out of black boards😁

There’s a fair bit of nominative determinism in the gerbils’ behaviour - Gondola is clearly a bit out of her depth.

fanOfBen · 01/06/2026 19:08

ErrolTheDragon · 01/06/2026 18:48

Welcome FanOfBen - I can’t remember if you’ve dropped in before but pull up a chair and ask a gerbil for a drink of your choice. Or ascend Peak Woo with a megaphone first if that helps!

Thanks! I drop in very occasionally. To the nearest gerbil, mine's a White Lady (version without egg white please).

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/06/2026 19:14

fanOfBen · 01/06/2026 19:08

Thanks! I drop in very occasionally. To the nearest gerbil, mine's a White Lady (version without egg white please).

Would Ben be Ben Cooper? I expect he’s a regular at the Staunch Ally down the road.

fanOfBen · 01/06/2026 19:25

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/06/2026 19:14

Would Ben be Ben Cooper? I expect he’s a regular at the Staunch Ally down the road.

Yes indeed!

EdithStourton · 01/06/2026 19:29

MarieDeGournay · 01/06/2026 18:35

Wow, that's ...interesting! transmen objecting to being invisible to transwomen unless being used as a 'gotcha' about butch women getting beaten up in the ladies'..
Men ignoring women. Fancy that!

Astounding, isn't it...
I was a feminist anyway, but before all this trans stuff hit I really hadn't clocked just how much a (large?) proportion of men just don't see women. We float around as NPCs, we're not actually people.

EmpressaurusKitty · 01/06/2026 19:30

And the blokes get to accuse the women of misogyny which must be great fun for them.

EdithStourton · 01/06/2026 19:40

Myrtle, should you need a being who can swim, Brains is very good at it and can take directions when in the water...

I'm assuming that Batshit is still swinging from the rigging of the Dreadnork. Unless she's fallen off and hurt her paw.

She was Herself earlier today. I got Brains to hop up onto a piece of abandoned farm machinery for a treat. She stretched upwards and checked out the landing zone before making a very sedate, controlled and precise leap. Batshit, when asked, launched herself into space and.... made brief contact with the landing zone and then her momentum took her off the other side.

As long-time Bluey regulars will know, she's done this before. At least this time her second jump was successful. Mostly because she came up from behind the machinery, and was able to make use of a wheel as a staging post.

Oh, and the other day another dog walker, well known to us all, chucked Brains a treat. Brains snatched from the air. He threw a treat for Batshit. She missed it so thoroughly that it landed on her head, where it sat until she looked up, bewildered - when of course it fell off and Brains nicked it.

MyrtleLion · 01/06/2026 19:41

We float around as NPCs, we're not actually people.

This ^

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