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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Should the Gender Recognition Act be repealed?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 22/05/2026 13:56

Basically, it's a lie and the government should not be in the business of falsifying official documents.

But on top of that:

  • It reduces trust
  • it perverts stats and analysis
  • it reduces protections based upon sex
  • People start to think sex really is changeable, or worse, just a piece of paper, when it's not, it's binary and immutable
  • All sorts of issues in the NHS with sex based healthcare

The EHRC guidance ties itself in knots trying to deal with the fact we don't reliably record sex, the most basic of information.

A humane society can treat people with courtesy without falsifying reality. Trans people should not be treated differently to others, they should have every right to an existence free from abuse. But these legal fictions are no good for anyone.

You cannot become female at the stroke of a pen.

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toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:45

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:42

It’s a lie because it says someone is the gender they are not. It’s a lie. That’s it. The whole argument. End to end.

You’re just stomping your feet in a mantrum now, so there is no point debating this with you. I hope you enjoy the rest of the day

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:47

toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:45

You’re just stomping your feet in a mantrum now, so there is no point debating this with you. I hope you enjoy the rest of the day

Dunno what sort of tantrums you’ve encountered before this was just me stating my position quite clearly?

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toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:52

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:47

Dunno what sort of tantrums you’ve encountered before this was just me stating my position quite clearly?

Stamping your feet and repeating 'It's a lie, that's it, end of story' isn't stating a position clearly. It's just a meltdown because you can’t articulate yourself well. Like I said, enjoy the rest of your day

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:55

toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:52

Stamping your feet and repeating 'It's a lie, that's it, end of story' isn't stating a position clearly. It's just a meltdown because you can’t articulate yourself well. Like I said, enjoy the rest of your day

It’s a statement of fact that a piece of paper saying you’re a woman if in fact you are a man - is a lie.

no feet stamping required.

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KilkennyCats · 09/06/2026 19:38

toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:52

Stamping your feet and repeating 'It's a lie, that's it, end of story' isn't stating a position clearly. It's just a meltdown because you can’t articulate yourself well. Like I said, enjoy the rest of your day

Nobody’s stamping their feet, they’re just explaining how the world works.

Your problem is an issue with facing reality, and expecting the rest of humanity to indulge you in your pretence.

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 19:22

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:55

It’s a statement of fact that a piece of paper saying you’re a woman if in fact you are a man - is a lie.

no feet stamping required.

I guess a GRC isn't exactly a lie, in that you only have a GRC stating you are a woman if you are in fact a man, and vice versa. Women don't get GRCs saying they are women, why would they? (I've never actually seen one mind you, so I'm making assumptions about what's on it).

On the other hand, driving licences, passports etc. stating F if you are in fact M - now they are lies.

KilkennyCats · 10/06/2026 20:13

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 19:22

I guess a GRC isn't exactly a lie, in that you only have a GRC stating you are a woman if you are in fact a man, and vice versa. Women don't get GRCs saying they are women, why would they? (I've never actually seen one mind you, so I'm making assumptions about what's on it).

On the other hand, driving licences, passports etc. stating F if you are in fact M - now they are lies.

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How could a document stating you are a woman when you are in fact a man not be a lie?

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 20:16

KilkennyCats · 10/06/2026 20:13

How could a document stating you are a woman when you are in fact a man not be a lie?

Well, yes it's a lie, but it's an obvious lie, as it were. It's along the lines of "you can't be a trans woman unless you're a man".

IYSWIM Confused

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 20:22

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 20:16

Well, yes it's a lie, but it's an obvious lie, as it were. It's along the lines of "you can't be a trans woman unless you're a man".

IYSWIM Confused

I think I'm not explaining myself well here.

What I'm trying to say is that a GRC is a fiction, but it can't actually fool anyone by itself, as having a GRC proves that you are actually the opposite sex to what your GRC claims.

The damaging stuff IMO is the documents which do not show someone's actual sex, but only their registered gender.

spannasaurus · 10/06/2026 20:22

I'm not so concerned about whether a GRC is a lie or not but the false sex birth certificate which a GRC allows you to get is definitely a lie

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 20:26

spannasaurus · 10/06/2026 20:22

I'm not so concerned about whether a GRC is a lie or not but the false sex birth certificate which a GRC allows you to get is definitely a lie

Yes, agreed. Also passports, driving licences. Anything else? These are in common use as ID.

spannasaurus · 10/06/2026 21:09

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 20:26

Yes, agreed. Also passports, driving licences. Anything else? These are in common use as ID.

You dont even need a GRC to change Passports and driving licences

SwirlyGates · 10/06/2026 21:22

spannasaurus · 10/06/2026 21:09

You dont even need a GRC to change Passports and driving licences

Madness.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/06/2026 21:28

True. I changed my passport in order to make use of an airline ticket which had been mistakenly bought for me in the wrong name; it now has a small note that I am "also known as" on the front page. It was quicker and easier to do than changing the name on the ticket would have been.

But that was last century; is it still the case?

Slothtoes · 10/06/2026 21:54

There are some age old legal fictions that are protective of women and children (.. like attributing legal paternity of a child to the man that a woman is married to, without requiring there to be a paternity test to prove it..) so it’s not the lie on official paper that I object to.

It’s the potential for the abuse of power that the GRC creates that s so worrying I think. The entitlement that the GRC creates around requiring other people to behave a certain way, and the secrecy and silence that was foolishly written into the law around this.

Slothtoes · 10/06/2026 21:58

I guess it’s also that in a world where everybody knows that predominantly one sex hurts the other sex, then not knowing a person’s true identity in relation to their sex could disadvantage women or be dangerous to women specifically, yet the GRA was written to be happy with doing that.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 13/06/2026 03:06

These lectures by Michael Foran are very relevant to any discussion about the Gender Recognition Act 2004:

Lecture 1: How Sex Changed
1 Jun 2026
(Volume seems very low, I had to bump it right up and put subtitles on)

Same lecture on Substack video has extra info in the post under the video:
Lecture 1: How Sex Changed
The first in a series on Sex, Gender Identity and the Law
https://knowingius.org/p/lecture-1-how-sex-changed

Lecture 2: Single-Sex Spaces
7 June 2026

Same lecture on Substack video has extra info in the post under the video:
Lecture 2: Single-Sex Spaces
https://knowingius.org/p/lecture-2-single-sex-spaces

No more lectures so far, which is a scandal, see Mumsnet thread:

Michael Foran has had to cancel the remaining lectures on Sex, GI and the law.....
due to bullying and harassment of those students wanting to attend
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5539518-michael-foran-has-had-to-cancel-the-remaining-lectures-on-sex-gi-and-the-law

"Due to escalating disruptive protests, I have decided to cancel the remainder of these lectures. This is deeply lamentable, but the disruption has undermined the academic nature of this series. Students shouldn't face bullying or harassment when attending academic events."
https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/2063577885928013833

Michael Foran's book "Sex, Gender Identity and the Law"
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/sex-gender-identity-and-the-law/58BF2584F3AAD6CED368C9197D109F48

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