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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Should the Gender Recognition Act be repealed?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 22/05/2026 13:56

Basically, it's a lie and the government should not be in the business of falsifying official documents.

But on top of that:

  • It reduces trust
  • it perverts stats and analysis
  • it reduces protections based upon sex
  • People start to think sex really is changeable, or worse, just a piece of paper, when it's not, it's binary and immutable
  • All sorts of issues in the NHS with sex based healthcare

The EHRC guidance ties itself in knots trying to deal with the fact we don't reliably record sex, the most basic of information.

A humane society can treat people with courtesy without falsifying reality. Trans people should not be treated differently to others, they should have every right to an existence free from abuse. But these legal fictions are no good for anyone.

You cannot become female at the stroke of a pen.

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 08/06/2026 15:54

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 15:48

I don’t know, it sees pretty complicated. How would repealing the GRA and reverting documents comply with the Goodwin judgment?

The Goodwin judgement does not require the UK to issue GRCs. See earlier post in this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5533120-5533120-should-the-gender-recognition-act-be-repealed?reply=152490976

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 16:05

Goodwin was found against the government because there was no legal gender recognition and that meant rights under the convention were violated. The government decided to implement the GRA to resolved the situation even though the Goodwin judgement didn’t explicitly require a change. It’s hard to see how those rights wouldn’t be violated again if the GRA was repealed.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 16:38

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 15:48

I don’t know, it sees pretty complicated. How would repealing the GRA and reverting documents comply with the Goodwin judgment?

Who says we have to?

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 08/06/2026 16:44

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 16:05

Goodwin was found against the government because there was no legal gender recognition and that meant rights under the convention were violated. The government decided to implement the GRA to resolved the situation even though the Goodwin judgement didn’t explicitly require a change. It’s hard to see how those rights wouldn’t be violated again if the GRA was repealed.

It’s hard to see how those rights wouldn’t be violated again if the GRA was repealed.

It could (and should) be replaced or amended by Legislation that does not allow people to falsify their sex on official documents.

With legalisation permitting same-sex marriage and pension equality most of the remaining official value of a GRC relied on an incorrect interpretation of the Equalities Act 2010. That interpretation has now been corrected by the Supreme Court Ruling in the case of For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers, rendering that value of a GRC null and void.

What "rights" are you thinking of that could not be covered by the Equalities Act Protected Characteristics of Disability and/or Philosophical Belief?

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 17:19

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 08/06/2026 16:44

It’s hard to see how those rights wouldn’t be violated again if the GRA was repealed.

It could (and should) be replaced or amended by Legislation that does not allow people to falsify their sex on official documents.

With legalisation permitting same-sex marriage and pension equality most of the remaining official value of a GRC relied on an incorrect interpretation of the Equalities Act 2010. That interpretation has now been corrected by the Supreme Court Ruling in the case of For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers, rendering that value of a GRC null and void.

What "rights" are you thinking of that could not be covered by the Equalities Act Protected Characteristics of Disability and/or Philosophical Belief?

Even though same-sex marriage is legalised and the pension age is equal, it still doesn’t negate the need for the GRA. In the Goodwin judgement the court said: “ 77. It must also be recognised that serious interference with private life can arise where the state of domestic law conflicts with an important aspect of personal identity (see, mutatis mutandis , Dudgeon v. the United Kingdom judgment of 22 October 1981, Series A no. 45, § 41). The stress and alienation arising from a discordance between the position in society assumed by a post-operative transsexual and the status imposed by law which refuses to recognise the change of gender cannot, in the Court's view, be regarded as a minor inconvenience arising from a formality. A conflict between social reality and law arises which places the transsexual in an anomalous position, in which he or she may experience feelings of vulnerability, humiliation and anxiety.”

That doesn’t disappear even though same sex marriage legal and pension age is equalised. How does repealing the GRA and reverting documents comply with this specific requirement to prevent 'vulnerability, humiliation and anxiety'?

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 17:23

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 16:38

Who says we have to?

As a general rule, I’d say it’s not good to ignore human rights obligations. I think deciding to ignore inconvenient judgements is a slippery slope.

KilkennyCats · 08/06/2026 18:26

Nobody has a human right to change sex. It’s an impossibility.
People choosing to mutilate themselves shouldn’t be a trigger to falsify official documents.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 08/06/2026 18:30

toyl9876 has started a parallel conversation (sort of) here

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5540109-should-gender-reassignment-remain-a-protected-characteristic

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 19:37

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 17:23

As a general rule, I’d say it’s not good to ignore human rights obligations. I think deciding to ignore inconvenient judgements is a slippery slope.

I reject entirely that it’s a human right for the government to issue fraudulent documentation that encourages people to ignore the evidence in front of their eyes.

it’s over reach like this that will lead to the UK leaving the ECHR And amending the equality act and revoking the GRA because of frakking stupid over reach like this.

we will all suffer because of a tiny number of greedy bullying men.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 19:37

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 08/06/2026 18:30

I think we can tell with a username like this that they are a passing troll.

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toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 19:42

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 19:37

I reject entirely that it’s a human right for the government to issue fraudulent documentation that encourages people to ignore the evidence in front of their eyes.

it’s over reach like this that will lead to the UK leaving the ECHR And amending the equality act and revoking the GRA because of frakking stupid over reach like this.

we will all suffer because of a tiny number of greedy bullying men.

“Look what you made me do”

Is letting us change our documents to reflect how we’re living and to have a little dignity that much of an issue?

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 19:42

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 19:37

I think we can tell with a username like this that they are a passing troll.

Disagreeing with you is not the same as trolling.

KilkennyCats · 08/06/2026 19:44

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 19:42

“Look what you made me do”

Is letting us change our documents to reflect how we’re living and to have a little dignity that much of an issue?

Yes, it is. Expecting the world to deny reality to make you feel better is too bloody much to ask.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 08/06/2026 19:49

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 19:42

Disagreeing with you is not the same as trolling.

I think maybe starting a thread putting forward a view and expecting disagreement in order to generate screen-shots probably is, though. In the old, fishing sense of "troll": to drag a baited line through the water.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 20:07

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 19:42

“Look what you made me do”

Is letting us change our documents to reflect how we’re living and to have a little dignity that much of an issue?

Quite literally yes

It is not the role of the state to issue falsified documents in order to placate a tiny minority of the country and put the rights safety and dignity of women and girls at risk

There should be no gender recognition act

There should be no way to change a person’s documentation into something which is verifiably false

Live your life how you want call yourself what you want do whatever you want, but do not affect others

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 20:08

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 08/06/2026 19:49

I think maybe starting a thread putting forward a view and expecting disagreement in order to generate screen-shots probably is, though. In the old, fishing sense of "troll": to drag a baited line through the water.

Feels like the dictionary definition of trolling in fact

Debate, please I love creating more things for people to point out to show how insane this ideology is

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toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 20:59

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 20:07

Quite literally yes

It is not the role of the state to issue falsified documents in order to placate a tiny minority of the country and put the rights safety and dignity of women and girls at risk

There should be no gender recognition act

There should be no way to change a person’s documentation into something which is verifiably false

Live your life how you want call yourself what you want do whatever you want, but do not affect others

Now that the EA had been clarified, how does the GRA affect anyone? I doesn’t give access to single sex spaces, so why does it need to be repealed?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 21:38

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 20:59

Now that the EA had been clarified, how does the GRA affect anyone? I doesn’t give access to single sex spaces, so why does it need to be repealed?

It’s a lie.

a state sponsored lie and should not exist.

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toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 21:47

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/06/2026 21:38

It’s a lie.

a state sponsored lie and should not exist.

I don’t agree with you that it’s a lie. But even if it is, what specifically is the harm of letting trans people get a GRC?

Slothtoes · 09/06/2026 08:07

I would have voted Yes, had the poll not already been closed.

GRA is an anachronism, it reflects old UK parliaments that did not want to see two men getting married. It reflects sexist solutions dreamt up to that problem of homophobia and sexism, that would rather pretend that people can change sex than it would see a broad range of way of living as a man and a broad personal/individual presentation of masculinity being acceptable.

GRA is irrelevant to modern social views and to the current legal landscape of social protections so removing GRA is long overdue. The FWS ruling also means it’s not really relevant any more, so really why is the GRA still hanging about?

The climate in which GRA was put in, is long gone, thank goodness. We now have legal same sex marriage and civil partnership, equal pension age, and established protections in the Equality Act for LGB people. Given these huge strides in equality since the UK was originally challenged by the European Court to look at its laws (because of a legal case where two men wished to marry but weren’t able to at time).. we just don’t need GRA any more.

How people LGB or straight, wish to present themselves cosmetically in their daily lives is all that’s left now and it really isn’t the business of UK law to cement hairstyles and presentation into a far-reaching legal status in place for the rest of people’s lives, which the GRA does.

The holders of GRCs (including detransitioners) have no legal way to remove the GRC status once it’s been granted, unless they say they were applying originally in a fraudulent way.. which not fair to ask of people. They may have genuinely believed all the SM crap that was being pushed when they applied for a GRC. They shouldn’t be required to public declare themselves liars. GRA does not recognise consent, nor does it cater for women and pregnancy and motherhood, which shows the limited sexist thinking that dreamt it up in the first place.

It needs to be repealed because with the protections of the Equality Act in place, we can all be respectful of how people want to live, without having to pretend in any legal way that adult humans can change sex.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 08:07

toyl9876 · 08/06/2026 21:47

I don’t agree with you that it’s a lie. But even if it is, what specifically is the harm of letting trans people get a GRC?

It’s a lie that can be used to mislead people and lead to less safe situations therefore it should not be allowed under any circumstances

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toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:24

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 08:07

It’s a lie that can be used to mislead people and lead to less safe situations therefore it should not be allowed under any circumstances

How can it mislead anyone? The popular claim here is you can always tell someone’s real sex, so I don’t understand why repealing the GRA and reverting documents will make a difference

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:35

toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:24

How can it mislead anyone? The popular claim here is you can always tell someone’s real sex, so I don’t understand why repealing the GRA and reverting documents will make a difference

It’s a lie. Communication is not always face to face. And even face to face someone will lie and wave a piece of paper.

fundamentally the state should not lie. Ever.

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toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:40

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:35

It’s a lie. Communication is not always face to face. And even face to face someone will lie and wave a piece of paper.

fundamentally the state should not lie. Ever.

The state isn’t lying, it’s managing legal documentation. Is the state lying with it issues a new birth certificate when a child
is adopted and it restricts the original? Is it lying when it lets someone change their name of a passport? Or a you just upset it doesn’t validate your personal opinion?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/06/2026 14:42

toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 14:40

The state isn’t lying, it’s managing legal documentation. Is the state lying with it issues a new birth certificate when a child
is adopted and it restricts the original? Is it lying when it lets someone change their name of a passport? Or a you just upset it doesn’t validate your personal opinion?

It’s a lie because it says someone is the gender they are not. It’s a lie. That’s it. The whole argument. End to end.

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