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Theeyeballsinthesky · 2026-05-22T12:31:37+00:00

Oh he gets it https://x.com/trevorptweets/status/2057780825148490016?s=46

PencilsInSpace · 23/05/2026 23:41

Bertiebiscuit · 23/05/2026 23:17

Trevor is that rare creature, the man that gets it. Who has empathy and respect for women and girls. That is one for my vanishingly short list of men who really get it. And a shaming for all the women who ought to get it, but don't - all the lesbians who have had nothing to say about womens' hard fought rights being destroyed, all the rich and famous women who could have been brave and fought for us, but took the cowards way out. All the powerful women who scolded us outspoken women and told us to be kind to the men destroying our safe spaces should hang their heads in shame that a man states the obvious common sense when they refuse to. If only there were more like him.

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If he's that marvellous then why was the previous EA stat code, produced under his leadership, so terribly shit?

Manxexile · 24/05/2026 01:25

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 23/05/2026 21:34

Your version, if you will excuse my bluntness, is wordy without any justification for the amount of words; waffly sophistry; and a "Be Kind" borderline apologist statement that would make any moderate TRA (if there is such a person) proud, except for the fact that they weren't able to force the guidance to remove all women's rights.

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I think the problem @Foodgloriousfoodie has is that they identify Trevor Philips as primarily a man, and therefore he is part of the patriarchy and cannot possibly have anything valid to say about the rights of women. He can't possibly be an ally to women and he can't possibly help men to understand the problems women have with views like "trans-women are women"

That - of course - is @Foodgloriousfoodie's problem to reconcile, not Trevor Philips's nor anybody else's.

Manxexile · 24/05/2026 01:35

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 23/05/2026 15:57

Someone has to look quite deeply into it

Except that it hasn't really been that difficult for men to become aware of the issues. They just had to do two things: listen to women and care enough.

Too many men have avoided both of those things, some with apparent glee.

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But you are assuming that men perceive this problem from the same perspective women do.

It's not that simple

I'm a man. I didn't fully appreciate all the detrimental consequences to women of the view that "trans-women are women" until my wife explained them to me point by point

Don't assume men see the world the same way you do, and don't assume that if they don't see the world the same way you do that they must be at fault.

I'm sure you don't see the world through my eyes, but i don't blame you if you don't. Men and women are different and you aren't me.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 24/05/2026 03:30

Foodgloriousfoodie · 23/05/2026 21:15

What he could have said as a genuine ally

The new EHRC guidance has prompted strong reactions, but I think it is important to approach the issue carefully and respectfully.

Women’s safety matters. Many women experience public space differently from men and make daily calculations about vulnerability, risk and personal security that men may not always notice or fully understand. Those concerns deserve to be listened to seriously.

At the same time, this debate should not be framed as though trans people have no rights or protections. The challenge is how to balance competing rights and protected characteristics within the framework of the Equality Act.

In my view, the guidance is intended to provide greater legal clarity around single-sex spaces and services. People will disagree about whether it achieves that fairly, but the discussion should remain grounded in evidence rather than fear or hostility.

I also think institutions should be transparent and consistent about how they apply the law, rather than allowing public pressure alone to shape policy.

These are complicated issues involving dignity, safety, privacy and inclusion for different groups of people. We will not resolve them well if we caricature one another’s concerns or turn every disagreement into a culture war.

What he could have said as a genuine ally.

Except I don't think Trevor Phillips delegates his thinking to Artificial Intelligence 🙄

"Ally" eh? Not the sort of talk we hear often around these parts. More of a reddit thing really.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 24/05/2026 03:53

PencilsInSpace · 23/05/2026 22:35

'In a previous life, as Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, I had a hand in writing this country’s equality laws, in particular the 2010 Equality Act. It never occurred to any of us that there could be any confusion or dispute over the meaning of the words man and woman.'

Utter bullshit.

Trevor Phillips was Chair of EHRC when they produced the 2011 stat code.

It said things like this:

'If a service provider provides single- or separate sex services for women and men, or provides services differently to women and men, they should treat transsexual people according to the gender role in which they present. However, the Act does permit the service provider to provide a different service or exclude a person from the service who is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or who has undergone gender reassignment. This will only be lawful where the exclusion is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate.

'any exception to the prohibition of discrimination must be applied as restrictively as possible and the denial of a service to a transsexual person should only occur in exceptional circumstances. A service provider can have a policy on provision of the service to transsexual users but should apply this policy on a case-by-case basis in order to determine whether the exclusion of a transsexual person is proportionate in the individual circumstances.'

I found the consultation documents on archived EHRC pages. Put the following links in web dot archive dot org for archive pages with downloadable links:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/equality-act-codes-practice-post-consultation-report

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/legislative-framework/equality-bill/equality-bill-codes-of-practice-consultation/

The original draft of the 2011 stat code was very sensible and just went through what the EA says in clear language. That's not the version we ended up with. The post-consultation report says:

'Various transsexual stakeholder groups responded to the formal consultation and also participated in the parallel consultation events taking place on the non-statutory guidance. Feedback from the consultation events was incorporated into the employment and services codes where appropriate, particularly on issues of confidentiality, use of single sex services and the legal definition of transgender.

'A number of concerns were raised about the exceptions, in particular the exceptions for charities, single sex services and separate services.
These sections have been revised as a result.'

At the end of the document there is a list of those consulted which includes Press for Change, GIRES and a:gender (the civil service TRA org).

Trevor Phillips oversaw the original TRA capture of EHRC.

Enough with the fawning! I'm glad he's speaking up now but he has never acknowledged his HUGE part in the removal of our rights in the first place.

He really does need to come clean about the part he played in this.

If his finger-prints are all over it, then he is culpable of complicity. If he delegated and then signed off the 2011 Code of Practice without due care and attention, that was inexcusably sloppy.

Either way, although his stance since then has been in favour of common sense and he has acknowledged the detrimental impact, he can't keep dodging responsibility for the fact that this all took place on his watch.

He has shown bravery in standing up for what he thinks is right several times on controversial issues and paid a price for it. It is a different sort of political risk to admit that one has been wrong about something, even duped, but far better to bite the bullet and be honest about it rather than try to shift the blame. And the sooner the better.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 24/05/2026 06:06

Manxexile · 24/05/2026 01:35

But you are assuming that men perceive this problem from the same perspective women do.

It's not that simple

I'm a man. I didn't fully appreciate all the detrimental consequences to women of the view that "trans-women are women" until my wife explained them to me point by point

Don't assume men see the world the same way you do, and don't assume that if they don't see the world the same way you do that they must be at fault.

I'm sure you don't see the world through my eyes, but i don't blame you if you don't. Men and women are different and you aren't me.

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But you are assuming that men perceive this problem from the same perspective women do.

I wasn't assuming anything about men aside from exactly what I said, which was

"They [men] just had to do two things: listen to women and care enough."

Which is what you did: you listened to your wife and then cared enough [to learn more, act on what you had learned or what your wife had told you, etc.]

Anything else you took from what I said was your perception, not anything I said or even meant.

borntobequiet · 24/05/2026 06:34

I recall an interview where TP explained that they didn’t see any of this coming, that sex was always bio sex to them and that they had no idea that it (the Equality Act) would be so egregiously misrepresented or used to harass women. I believe him because I think most people would have seen it that way at that time.
It’s easy to think other people should have known better and condemn them for it without being honest about what one would have done oneself. I’ve just read the piece again and thought it even better written, well-judged and well paced than I did first time through.

Datun · 24/05/2026 08:02

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 24/05/2026 03:53

He really does need to come clean about the part he played in this.

If his finger-prints are all over it, then he is culpable of complicity. If he delegated and then signed off the 2011 Code of Practice without due care and attention, that was inexcusably sloppy.

Either way, although his stance since then has been in favour of common sense and he has acknowledged the detrimental impact, he can't keep dodging responsibility for the fact that this all took place on his watch.

He has shown bravery in standing up for what he thinks is right several times on controversial issues and paid a price for it. It is a different sort of political risk to admit that one has been wrong about something, even duped, but far better to bite the bullet and be honest about it rather than try to shift the blame. And the sooner the better.

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Yes I agree. He must know that people will dig stuff up about his past record. Much better to come clean.

If he delegated and then signed off the 2011 Code of Practice without due care and attention, that was inexcusably sloppy.

I wonder if that is why he appears to be specifically talking to men in that article.

There's no doubt many men don't get it. They might get it intellectually, but they don't get it day to day, because they don't live it. Which is why, I believe, sport was such a pivotal point. Because men absolutely do get sport.

i've posted this before, but it's relevant to him trying to make men understand that the women they're not thinking about are their mothers, wives, daughters etc. it's not just a nebulous concept, it's people they love.

A man will go to his graduation party having achieved the highest possible marks in his 'degree in feminism', being back slapped all round for understanding women so well, empathising with them, having such great compassion for them, a true feminist who totally gets VAWG.
^^
And then leave the building at midnight, pissed up, clutching his degree, weave across a dark, deserted car park without a second's thought, and blithely get into an unlicensed cab.

Pingponghavoc · 24/05/2026 09:09

I think many in government and who write these acts do believe that women are happy to include transexual men in our spaces, and that men would never lower themselves to pretend to be these transexuals.

Then the law was written to ensure these men were protected from employers and services providers. And not a thought given to sister, mothers, aunties and daughters.

teawamutu · 24/05/2026 09:24

Pingponghavoc · 24/05/2026 09:09

I think many in government and who write these acts do believe that women are happy to include transexual men in our spaces, and that men would never lower themselves to pretend to be these transexuals.

Then the law was written to ensure these men were protected from employers and services providers. And not a thought given to sister, mothers, aunties and daughters.

And possibly, a degree (admire TP though I do) of entirely unwarranted trust in decent chaps and sensible authorities.

In much the same way that Boris Johnson could get away with so much, for so long, because our political system was set up on the assumption that office-holders wouldn't deliberately lie: TP and his compadres probably thought that 'they' would never be batshit enough to put, eg, male rapists in female prisons, or expect women to play contact sports with grown-ass men pretending to be laydeez.

I didn't have the language of grooming 30 years ago, or institutional capture. I do now.