Excellent from Trevor Phillips

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Oh he gets it

x.com/trevorptweets/status/2057780825148490016?s=46

If he's that marvellous then why was the previous EA stat code, produced under his leadership, so terribly shit?

I think the problem @Foodgloriousfoodie has is that they identify Trevor Philips as primarily a man, and therefore he is part of the patriarchy and cannot possibly have anything valid to say about the rights of women. He can't possibly be an ally to women and he can't possibly help men to understand the problems women have with views like "trans-women are women"

That - of course - is @Foodgloriousfoodie's problem to reconcile, not Trevor Philips's nor anybody else's.

But you are assuming that men perceive this problem from the same perspective women do.

It's not that simple

I'm a man. I didn't fully appreciate all the detrimental consequences to women of the view that "trans-women are women" until my wife explained them to me point by point

Don't assume men see the world the same way you do, and don't assume that if they don't see the world the same way you do that they must be at fault.

I'm sure you don't see the world through my eyes, but i don't blame you if you don't. Men and women are different and you aren't me.

What he could have said as a genuine ally.

Except I don't think Trevor Phillips delegates his thinking to Artificial Intelligence 🙄

"Ally" eh? Not the sort of talk we hear often around these parts. More of a reddit thing really.

He really does need to come clean about the part he played in this.

If his finger-prints are all over it, then he is culpable of complicity. If he delegated and then signed off the 2011 Code of Practice without due care and attention, that was inexcusably sloppy.

Either way, although his stance since then has been in favour of common sense and he has acknowledged the detrimental impact, he can't keep dodging responsibility for the fact that this all took place on his watch.

He has shown bravery in standing up for what he thinks is right several times on controversial issues and paid a price for it. It is a different sort of political risk to admit that one has been wrong about something, even duped, but far better to bite the bullet and be honest about it rather than try to shift the blame. And the sooner the better.

But you are assuming that men perceive this problem from the same perspective women do.

I wasn't assuming anything about men aside from exactly what I said, which was

"They [men] just had to do two things: listen to women and care enough."

Which is what you did: you listened to your wife and then cared enough [to learn more, act on what you had learned or what your wife had told you, etc.]

Anything else you took from what I said was your perception, not anything I said or even meant.

I recall an interview where TP explained that they didn’t see any of this coming, that sex was always bio sex to them and that they had no idea that it (the Equality Act) would be so egregiously misrepresented or used to harass women. I believe him because I think most people would have seen it that way at that time.
It’s easy to think other people should have known better and condemn them for it without being honest about what one would have done oneself. I’ve just read the piece again and thought it even better written, well-judged and well paced than I did first time through.

Yes I agree. He must know that people will dig stuff up about his past record. Much better to come clean.

If he delegated and then signed off the 2011 Code of Practice without due care and attention, that was inexcusably sloppy.

I wonder if that is why he appears to be specifically talking to men in that article.

There's no doubt many men don't get it. They might get it intellectually, but they don't get it day to day, because they don't live it. Which is why, I believe, sport was such a pivotal point. Because men absolutely do get sport.

i've posted this before, but it's relevant to him trying to make men understand that the women they're not thinking about are their mothers, wives, daughters etc. it's not just a nebulous concept, it's people they love.

A man will go to his graduation party having achieved the highest possible marks in his 'degree in feminism', being back slapped all round for understanding women so well, empathising with them, having such great compassion for them, a true feminist who totally gets VAWG.
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And then leave the building at midnight, pissed up, clutching his degree, weave across a dark, deserted car park without a second's thought, and blithely get into an unlicensed cab.

I think many in government and who write these acts do believe that women are happy to include transexual men in our spaces, and that men would never lower themselves to pretend to be these transexuals.

Then the law was written to ensure these men were protected from employers and services providers. And not a thought given to sister, mothers, aunties and daughters.

And possibly, a degree (admire TP though I do) of entirely unwarranted trust in decent chaps and sensible authorities.

In much the same way that Boris Johnson could get away with so much, for so long, because our political system was set up on the assumption that office-holders wouldn't deliberately lie: TP and his compadres probably thought that 'they' would never be batshit enough to put, eg, male rapists in female prisons, or expect women to play contact sports with grown-ass men pretending to be laydeez.

I didn't have the language of grooming 30 years ago, or institutional capture. I do now.

Thank you Trevor! So well articulated 😊

There are some vicious comments about what Philips has said. Trans gone mad, basically.

I think we need all the allies we can get. Why look for ways to be offended?