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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Government has updated its guidance on 'Gender Pay Gap' reporting to now clearly state it refers to biological sex, not self-declared 'gender' and that GRCs must be ignored

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 22/05/2026 12:35

https://x.com/zeno001/status/2057740677417451822?s=20

The Government has updated its guidance on 'Gender Pay Gap' reporting to now clearly state it refers to biological sex, not self-declared 'gender' and that GRCs must be ignored
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WomanWithoutNeedOfPrefix · 22/05/2026 13:07

Brilliant. Thanks for highlighting.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/05/2026 13:07

Ooh that’s great news!! Those dominoes are falling quickly.
Cue much rending of garments and sackcloth (or something) from the trans activists.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 22/05/2026 13:09

Well that's a very positive sign of yesterday's impact.

Chersfrozenface · 22/05/2026 13:16

The amusing thing is that employers will have to judge what people's sex actually is.

Did your employee use a passport for the right to work check? Ah, the sex marker on that might be false.

With a GRC, birth certificates can be falsified.

Obviously if Dave became Davina whilst working for you, it's a bit easier.

Fidgetbreak · 22/05/2026 13:37

Exactly. The data will still be inaccurate as long as passports, driving licenses, and birth certificates are essentially self ID for sex. We can see the same problem in the guidance for service providers. A person can show official documents with the wrong sex on them, leaving services in very awkward situations wondering what they can do. It's the governments fault, it all needs changing, and the Gender Recognition Act needs repealing.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 22/05/2026 13:41

I did remember - maybe misremembering - from the SCJ and the original unfucked about with guidance, that the onus was on the person being difficult to prove their sex, and if this was becoming a battle/unreasonable, then the answer was to deny them access to the single sex and direct them to the gender neutral.

Legally - They're obviously being bloody difficult for their own reasons, it's an unreasonable behaviour that threatens other people's inclusion and access as well as sucking up time and energy from service providers, and you cannot sacrifice the rights and needs of every woman in a single sex space for someone who feels like being bolshy. They still have access to a space.

The idea that they would win would have to be based on the needs of all the women in single sex provision being nothing when weighed against theirs. Which is what is going on in the head of an activist, they're sexist to the core, but isn't going to wash in court.

AlexandraLeaving · 22/05/2026 13:43

I'm pleased to see this. All the fuss about toilets (and I do understand that they are important, but they are not the only thing that matters) risked obscuring the fact that protection against sex discrimination is only possible if you are clear what is meant by 'sex'.

PeppyHam · 22/05/2026 16:15

It should be called the "sex pay gap" since it relates to sex, not gender.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 22/05/2026 16:42

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 22/05/2026 13:09

Well that's a very positive sign of yesterday's impact.

Agree, at least a bit of good news, finally (and which I am capable of understanding!)

StrongestWoman · 22/05/2026 16:53

Thanks for posting this, another email to HR upcoming.
To give a view of how this plays out: in my (American) employers HR system there is no option for sex. There is only an option for gender, so for the past couple of years I have been down as "prefer not to say". I have pointed that this is incorrect as I am a woman and my sex is female and I am happy to confirm this to anyone. I have also pointed out that it feels discriminatory that my employer can not recognise that I am a woman.
Subsequently I have requested confirmation that I am excluded from their gender pay gap reporting for the past couple.of years which they have confirmed is the case.

glaciercherry · 22/05/2026 17:04

PeppyHam · 22/05/2026 16:15

It should be called the "sex pay gap" since it relates to sex, not gender.

True. But only because the concept of gender being anything other than a synonym for sex was wholly invented since the term gender pay gap was.

Chersfrozenface · 22/05/2026 18:50

Or "pay gap between the sexes".

Longer, clunkier but clearer.

EddiesTies · 22/05/2026 19:08

Now we're suckin diesel

Instructions · 22/05/2026 19:11

I genuinely have felt sorry for a lot of reddit users the last few days, their responses to the law being made clear show how terribly badly they have been misled, lied to and let down. So many people with dubious mental health told that reality was something quite unlike that which it actually is. I believe some of them when they say they are terrified; their fears are groundless but they have been so brainwashed and manipulated that I am sure they are genuinely felt.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/05/2026 09:43

Instructions · 22/05/2026 19:11

I genuinely have felt sorry for a lot of reddit users the last few days, their responses to the law being made clear show how terribly badly they have been misled, lied to and let down. So many people with dubious mental health told that reality was something quite unlike that which it actually is. I believe some of them when they say they are terrified; their fears are groundless but they have been so brainwashed and manipulated that I am sure they are genuinely felt.

I completely agree it’s a feeling of pity and sorrow that people with serious mental health issues have not been helped and supported with high-quality mental health support in the round they absolutely deserve it. They absolutely should have it and they don’t.

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misscockerspaniel · 23/05/2026 09:49

Instructions · 22/05/2026 19:11

I genuinely have felt sorry for a lot of reddit users the last few days, their responses to the law being made clear show how terribly badly they have been misled, lied to and let down. So many people with dubious mental health told that reality was something quite unlike that which it actually is. I believe some of them when they say they are terrified; their fears are groundless but they have been so brainwashed and manipulated that I am sure they are genuinely felt.

Stop right there! It was the whole "be kind" mantra that helped to create this mess.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 23/05/2026 09:51

Some people really are two cans short of a sixpack, aren't they?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/05/2026 09:52

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 23/05/2026 09:51

Some people really are two cans short of a sixpack, aren't they?

“Creationist sex”

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/05/2026 09:52

misscockerspaniel · 23/05/2026 09:49

Stop right there! It was the whole "be kind" mantra that helped to create this mess.

I only mean get them a therapist that doesn’t say they are woman not let them in the ladies!!

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 23/05/2026 09:55

Agree, I don't think "being kind" is in any way helpful here. Even if there had always been gold-standard, private, one-to-one mental health support for every single person in this country, none of it would have mattered because the people in charge of our institutions refused to say no to a movement of activists throwing tantrums.

RedToothBrush · 23/05/2026 10:00

StrongestWoman · 22/05/2026 16:53

Thanks for posting this, another email to HR upcoming.
To give a view of how this plays out: in my (American) employers HR system there is no option for sex. There is only an option for gender, so for the past couple of years I have been down as "prefer not to say". I have pointed that this is incorrect as I am a woman and my sex is female and I am happy to confirm this to anyone. I have also pointed out that it feels discriminatory that my employer can not recognise that I am a woman.
Subsequently I have requested confirmation that I am excluded from their gender pay gap reporting for the past couple.of years which they have confirmed is the case.

Any organisation now asking for gender rather than sex in any capacity is now on very dodgy ground. They can ask for gender as well as sex but a failure to ask for sex whilst asking for gender is a complete no no.

This will be one of the things that will work out in the wash.

Lying about your sex under certain circumstances will also become a massive no no (eg if taking part in a medical study or as part of a safeguarding disclosure) even if you have a GRC because of the impact on others. It will become a red flag if someone is being treated in hospital and it's picked up that they haven't disclosed their sex if relevant.

This is how it should be. Activists can grumble all they fucking like. The entire point of our human rights and equality rights legislation is to balance, compromise and protect the interests of EVERYONE. Shocking huh?

This is where narcs are going to become unstuck because it's not all about them. Everyone else will just get on with it. Its not a trans issue - it's a selfish narcissist issue.

Bertiebiscuit · 23/05/2026 10:04

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/05/2026 13:07

Ooh that’s great news!! Those dominoes are falling quickly.
Cue much rending of garments and sackcloth (or something) from the trans activists.

Charity shop polyester rather than "sackckoth" I'd say from seeing far too much TRA style

RedToothBrush · 23/05/2026 10:05

Instructions · 22/05/2026 19:11

I genuinely have felt sorry for a lot of reddit users the last few days, their responses to the law being made clear show how terribly badly they have been misled, lied to and let down. So many people with dubious mental health told that reality was something quite unlike that which it actually is. I believe some of them when they say they are terrified; their fears are groundless but they have been so brainwashed and manipulated that I am sure they are genuinely felt.

Why is this my fucking problem?

I've been saying this for over a decade. All the people telling me to be kind shit all over these people - they can take responsibility for it and deal with it. I've taken that responsibility a long time ago and said this is harming trans people and I'm not going to indulge them by 'being kind'. Frankly many need a reality check, a rocket up the arse and being told to stop naval gazing because pandering and supporting their avoidant behaviour has been the problem in the first place. It's been unkind to fail to say no.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 23/05/2026 10:52

RedToothBrush · 23/05/2026 10:05

Why is this my fucking problem?

I've been saying this for over a decade. All the people telling me to be kind shit all over these people - they can take responsibility for it and deal with it. I've taken that responsibility a long time ago and said this is harming trans people and I'm not going to indulge them by 'being kind'. Frankly many need a reality check, a rocket up the arse and being told to stop naval gazing because pandering and supporting their avoidant behaviour has been the problem in the first place. It's been unkind to fail to say no.

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This. The sympathetic pandering to the drama and hyperbole hasn't in any way helped anyone.