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Afghanistan - selling children - guess which ones?

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ArabellaScott · 19/05/2026 08:30

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

Nobody would deny poverty is a huge problem in Afghanistan:

'The US – once the top donor to Afghanistan – cut nearly all aid to the country last year. Many other key donors have also significantly reduced contributions, including the UK. Current UN figures show that the aid received so far this year is 70% lower than in 2025.
Severe drought – which has affected more than half the provinces in the country - is compounding problems.'

The BBC presents this as 'an impossible choice' made by 'Afghan fathers'.

Why is it just the fathers making this choice, BBC?

Why is it just daughters sold, BBC?

A man wearing a pink turban cuddles his small daughter close in front of a cracked mud wall

Afghanistan humanitarian crisis: Ghor's starving families

In Afghanistan today, a staggering three in four people cannot meet their basic needs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

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mumofoneAloneandwell · 22/05/2026 23:06

If men really want to help women suffering

They could provide free snips for men in such extreme poverty that selling their daughters will be likely

The snip is reversible, non invasive

Men will still be evil and rape women - but this could prevent the number of women suffering in future 😞😞

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Yesterday 00:11

mumofoneAloneandwell · 22/05/2026 23:06

If men really want to help women suffering

They could provide free snips for men in such extreme poverty that selling their daughters will be likely

The snip is reversible, non invasive

Men will still be evil and rape women - but this could prevent the number of women suffering in future 😞😞

Until their much older husband dies and they are left with no sons, then they'll starve to death in the houses they aren't allowed to leave.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · Yesterday 03:12

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Yesterday 00:11

Until their much older husband dies and they are left with no sons, then they'll starve to death in the houses they aren't allowed to leave.

  1. The girls will probably have brothers.
  2. Their lives would be longer and less shit than if they die in childbirth off their nth baby.
GobbyBird37 · Yesterday 09:53

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2026 19:03

Did you not see.the planes taking off with people hanging from the wings?!

Brave, brave women have been resisting. Even knowing they will be beaten and suffer for it. No, the Taliban are far from universal support.

Absolutely. I work with Afghani women (via Victory Afghanistan). There was and is plenty of resistance, but it's quickly squashed. And people are scared.
Let's not blame ordinary Afghanis for their own oppression.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 10:19

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/05/2026 20:31

This is a shit argument for allowing illegal male Afghan immigrants to stay in our country.

FFS read what I write and don't add extra stuff. I didn't say we should let them stay. I was explaining a possible motive for them coming here.

According to the Government they only get a minimal amount of cash per week when waiting for asylum claims, so they can't unless they're undertaking criminal activity.

There is a huge black market in hired Deliveroo etc accounts that take advantage of the "substitute worker" rule that allows these gig economy platforms to claim that the workers are self-employed. If I walk through the city I work in at around 7pm, I see gatherings of young brown men on bicycles with food delivery bags and covered faces talking in languages that I can't understand. That's how they earn money on top of their asylum seeker payments: they hire a JustEat etc account that belongs to someone else who controls dozens or more such accounts just to rent them out, they get a bike, often from the person they rent the account from, and they deliver food to British people too lazy to collect it themselves.

Both trafficked people and asylum seekers work this way, as well as in hand car washes, nail bars, and brothels. It's everywhere in plain sight.

In no way is this morally ok. It depresses wages leading to children going hungry in THIS country. It's not like we have no problems. Men doing this should be deported.

And as PP have said they have to pay a lot of money to get here so it's unlikely they're doing this for altruistic reasons. If they cared about their female relatives they'd stay and protect them from the horrific human rights abuses these women face - particularly if no male relatives to protect them - or at least try and bring them with them. The men coming here alone give no shits about their female relatives. Given the lack of medical care for women, there is a strong chance their female relatives will die between them leaving and arriving in the UK.

Young, fit male Afghan refugees who come alone are abandoning their female relatives to the whims of the Taliban, to live without medical care and often no-one to advocate for them. I would argue having a male relative willing to protect you in situ is probably worth more than theoretical foreign cash (that will probably be intercepted by men of one kind or another).

GobbyBird37 · Yesterday 10:44

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 10:19

In no way is this morally ok. It depresses wages leading to children going hungry in THIS country. It's not like we have no problems. Men doing this should be deported.

And as PP have said they have to pay a lot of money to get here so it's unlikely they're doing this for altruistic reasons. If they cared about their female relatives they'd stay and protect them from the horrific human rights abuses these women face - particularly if no male relatives to protect them - or at least try and bring them with them. The men coming here alone give no shits about their female relatives. Given the lack of medical care for women, there is a strong chance their female relatives will die between them leaving and arriving in the UK.

Young, fit male Afghan refugees who come alone are abandoning their female relatives to the whims of the Taliban, to live without medical care and often no-one to advocate for them. I would argue having a male relative willing to protect you in situ is probably worth more than theoretical foreign cash (that will probably be intercepted by men of one kind or another).

Edited

Of course not everyone's circumstances are the same but this undoubtedly applies to some of these men. As a feminist, I would like to see an asylum policy that prioritised women and children, who suffer the most in war and displacement, not unaccompanied men, who may or may not be a threat to women, because men.

bafta16 · Yesterday 10:49

Look at that little girl, it's appalling.

maltravers · Yesterday 12:13

This was covered in “From our own correspondent” first item I think. It’s worth a listen - I felt for the whole family, including the father. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002wsjf

From Our Own Correspondent - Afghanistan: Shaiqa's story - BBC Sounds

A father makes an unenviable decision in order to fund his daughter's medical treatment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002wsjf

selffellatingouroborosofhate · Yesterday 12:50

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 10:19

In no way is this morally ok. It depresses wages leading to children going hungry in THIS country. It's not like we have no problems. Men doing this should be deported.

And as PP have said they have to pay a lot of money to get here so it's unlikely they're doing this for altruistic reasons. If they cared about their female relatives they'd stay and protect them from the horrific human rights abuses these women face - particularly if no male relatives to protect them - or at least try and bring them with them. The men coming here alone give no shits about their female relatives. Given the lack of medical care for women, there is a strong chance their female relatives will die between them leaving and arriving in the UK.

Young, fit male Afghan refugees who come alone are abandoning their female relatives to the whims of the Taliban, to live without medical care and often no-one to advocate for them. I would argue having a male relative willing to protect you in situ is probably worth more than theoretical foreign cash (that will probably be intercepted by men of one kind or another).

Edited

You have made an excellent argument for deporting single Afghani men. Thank you.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · Yesterday 13:00

Last night, I wrote:

I'm also very much of the view that no one is obliged to send aid to a country in trouble. It may be a kind act, but it's not an obligation, just as I'm not obliged to donate money to a charity and I'm not responsible for them having a financial crisis if I stop.

I've reevaluated that position. My application of standards for individuals to nation states that have chosen to join the UN is a logical fallacy. A comparable situation is the Equality Act in this country placing obligations on non-human entities, not on individual people. We generally accept the idea that a body corporate can be legally or morally obliged to act in a way that an individual rightly should not be.

Trump has breached moral, and possibly UN treaty, obligations by stopping this aid.

This still doesn't make the famine itself artifical, it's a consequence of natural phenomena and Taliban mismanagement. But it does allow us to argue convincingly that richer UN members should contribute famine relief according to their means.

bafta16 · Yesterday 16:21

The men coming here alone give no shits about their female relatives

You know many? You have talked to many?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · Yesterday 17:50

bafta16 · Yesterday 16:21

The men coming here alone give no shits about their female relatives

You know many? You have talked to many?

If they did, they would send their female relatives here and stay behind themselves.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · Yesterday 18:21

GobbyBird37 · Yesterday 10:44

Of course not everyone's circumstances are the same but this undoubtedly applies to some of these men. As a feminist, I would like to see an asylum policy that prioritised women and children, who suffer the most in war and displacement, not unaccompanied men, who may or may not be a threat to women, because men.

100% agree. I actually think it's pretty awful in terms of human rights that we're accepting single men fit enough and well off enough to pay to get here (often having been denied asylum or convicted of crimes in other countries en route) and spending so much on them when there are far more vulnerable people - particularly women and children - facing far worse human rights abuses that that money could go towards saving - including providing safe routes out.

Edited to add: We have a finite amount of money to spend on this sort of thing, our country is in massive debt. It's a choice to put up single young men with no papers and no knowledge of whether they have previous rape or other convictions, costing the taxpayer millions, allowing them to roam freely and allow them to claim asylum. Whilst not paying for safe journeys home for the women working in contact with them (RIP Rhiannon Whyte). Then pay more hundreds of thousands in court cases when they commit crimes here, then more money to deport them. This is a choice and it's a choice that prioritising men over women. You could probably argue sex discrimination if anyone in power cared about women, they don't.

bafta16 · Yesterday 21:14

selffellatingouroborosofhate · Yesterday 17:50

If they did, they would send their female relatives here and stay behind themselves.

Don't be so stupid.

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Yesterday 21:27

bafta16 · Yesterday 21:14

Don't be so stupid.

THIS.

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