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GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 10:00

My favourite comment so far: "I stand with Frankenstein"

lcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2026 10:02

I read that article yesterday. On the face of it, it seems like a stupid thing to say. Then I read the movie review (5 stars!)

https://archive.ph/HqbFi

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2026/05/14/teenage-sex-death-camp-miasma-review-cannes/

and i'm not sure what's going on.

It doesn't sound like my cuppa. I'll wait for the synopsis to come out on Wikipedia 😁

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2026/05/14/teenage-sex-death-camp-miasma-review-cannes

Deadringer · 15/05/2026 10:27

What a load of old shit. Norman Bates took on his mother's persona to murder women because he was nuts, not trans. Bufflo Bill was possibly trans, more likely an agypnaphile, but he was first and foremost an evil murderer, why shouldn't evil murderers identify as women if they want to? Fair is fair. Frankinstein ffs. These people truly think the world revolves around them.

Justme56 · 15/05/2026 10:54

Jane (a male) realised he was not really a man after writing a horror film about an adolescent girl who got caught up in online role play - his egg crack moment. He’s NB so I guess that means he needs some breasts. He seems to be interested in slasher hypersexual films (he wanted to write one about lesbians with ‘lots of fluids’) and seems a bit fixated on trans girls missing out on their adolescent years - which I think refers to their missed sexual experiences. He is married but has 2 other serious partners as he’s polyamorous. He spends his time between 2 homes but apparently is anti capitalist.

MarieDeGournay · 15/05/2026 11:02

Justme56 · 15/05/2026 10:54

Jane (a male) realised he was not really a man after writing a horror film about an adolescent girl who got caught up in online role play - his egg crack moment. He’s NB so I guess that means he needs some breasts. He seems to be interested in slasher hypersexual films (he wanted to write one about lesbians with ‘lots of fluids’) and seems a bit fixated on trans girls missing out on their adolescent years - which I think refers to their missed sexual experiences. He is married but has 2 other serious partners as he’s polyamorous. He spends his time between 2 homes but apparently is anti capitalist.

Thank you for saving me a lot of time, effort, and eyerolls with that summing up, Justme56😏

Echobelly · 15/05/2026 11:11

A person has an interpretation from a literary/art criticism point of view. They're not demanding everyone agrees, it's an opinion they are entitled to have and you are entitled to disagree with it find downright silly if you want.

It's like when someone did a play about Joan of Arc being trans and the whole of the media was up in arms that this constituted the writer/ director demanding the whole world recognise Joan as trans rather than the fact people use art to explore ideas, which is pretty well understood thing.

LoudBlueSeal · 15/05/2026 11:46

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 10:00

My favourite comment so far: "I stand with Frankenstein"

That’s hilarious.

A more serious comment was talking about ‘toxic empathy’ creating narcissistic monsters, which is also neatly expressed in the comment:

Me! Me me me me me me me - Meeeee !

GingerBeverage · 15/05/2026 11:52

A 9min ovation at Cannes is mid these days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cannes_Film_Festival_records

The film, which will have a theatrical release handled by Mubi, was rejected from every major Hollywood studio and distributor.

Hoardasurass · 15/05/2026 11:55

Echobelly · 15/05/2026 11:11

A person has an interpretation from a literary/art criticism point of view. They're not demanding everyone agrees, it's an opinion they are entitled to have and you are entitled to disagree with it find downright silly if you want.

It's like when someone did a play about Joan of Arc being trans and the whole of the media was up in arms that this constituted the writer/ director demanding the whole world recognise Joan as trans rather than the fact people use art to explore ideas, which is pretty well understood thing.

Having artistic licence to change a fictional character and complain that the character is transphobic (which is nonsense tbh) is completely different from trashing an actual historic person just to push your bs narrative and are not the same thing
St Joan is the patron saint of France and was a real life women who was tortured and then burned at the stake because she was a woman who heard voices (whether from MH problems or epilepsy) to then use her as vehicle to promote trans was wrong and offensive to many people and rewrites history to erase yet another woman.
This thread is about the ongoing ridiculous hyperbolly that comes from the perpetually offended classes that see and claim everything from the covid virus to now frankenstine is transphobic.
But thanks for proving my point

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SirChenjins · 15/05/2026 12:14

It's interesting that enby Jane and his breast implants still reverts to the predictable male-pattern fantasies of murder, violence and sex in his film making. The positive is that is does recognise the difference between sex and gender - so in amongst all his pontificating and latent teenage angst, he remains fully aware that he's don't become she's.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2026 12:18
Family Guy Quagmire GIF

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Szygy · 15/05/2026 13:03

'This image of the trans monster kept coming up, whether that be Norman Bates or Buffalo Bill or Frankenstein as a constructed body'

Schoenbrun doesn’t even grasp the very basic point that Frankenstein is the name of the creator, not the monster, so I wouldn’t be paying any attention to what Schoenbrun has to say.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 15/05/2026 13:07

Echobelly · 15/05/2026 11:11

A person has an interpretation from a literary/art criticism point of view. They're not demanding everyone agrees, it's an opinion they are entitled to have and you are entitled to disagree with it find downright silly if you want.

It's like when someone did a play about Joan of Arc being trans and the whole of the media was up in arms that this constituted the writer/ director demanding the whole world recognise Joan as trans rather than the fact people use art to explore ideas, which is pretty well understood thing.

And not the most respectful way to use real people and real people's work for a very niche and crowbarred personal agenda.

And equally if people want to put forward their own literary/art criticism point of view and share this openly, other people get to have opinions and to critique it.

This is a women's rights board here, the mindless sealions do the honking and clapping elsewhere if they're needed.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 15/05/2026 13:08

Szygy · 15/05/2026 13:03

'This image of the trans monster kept coming up, whether that be Norman Bates or Buffalo Bill or Frankenstein as a constructed body'

Schoenbrun doesn’t even grasp the very basic point that Frankenstein is the name of the creator, not the monster, so I wouldn’t be paying any attention to what Schoenbrun has to say.

I'd think having missed that huge, fundamental fact, they've also missed the pain and rage of the monster at having been constructed and created for another person's experimentation and agenda, then abandoning them to cope with this painful creation and its consequences.

It's deeply painful stuff in this context, it really is.

ChequerToRed · 15/05/2026 13:27

From the article-
‘The psychedelic slasher, part satire and part arthouse horror, features a serial killer called “Little Death”. The character becomes a supernatural murderer after being bullied and made to drown for being trans during summer camp.’

So yet another weird trans revenge fantasy that skates very close to the plot of the Friday the 13th franchise?

To quote The Devil Wears Prada, groundbreaking…
I note The Guardian gives it five stars, which is rarely a ringing endorsement.
Also, his bio makes him sound like one of the last people on earth I’d want to invite to a dinner party.

WallaceinAnderland · 15/05/2026 13:31

why shouldn't evil murderers identify as women if they want to? Fair is fair.

Absolutely. And it's exactly what Stonewall championed.

"Acceptance without exception" is a guiding principle for diversity and inclusion. Most prominently championed by Stonewall in the UK, the phrase advocates for the unquestionable rights and inclusion of LGBTQ+ individuals—particularly trans people—in all spaces and services, without loopholes or conditions."

Deanefan · 15/05/2026 13:37

Justme56 · 15/05/2026 10:54

Jane (a male) realised he was not really a man after writing a horror film about an adolescent girl who got caught up in online role play - his egg crack moment. He’s NB so I guess that means he needs some breasts. He seems to be interested in slasher hypersexual films (he wanted to write one about lesbians with ‘lots of fluids’) and seems a bit fixated on trans girls missing out on their adolescent years - which I think refers to their missed sexual experiences. He is married but has 2 other serious partners as he’s polyamorous. He spends his time between 2 homes but apparently is anti capitalist.

I went with support as my reaction. Thanks for taking one for the team and wading through that pile of nonsense 🙄

GingerBeverage · 15/05/2026 14:09

Delving further, Hannah Einbinder quote: “I have two trans siblings.”

https://www.papermag.com/hannah-einbinder#rebelltitem17

Datun · 15/05/2026 14:12

In one sense, those are the places where they saw representations that felt familiar or comforting in some way to their own experiences – but also, those movies are super f---ing transphobic and problematic,” the filmmaker added.

So finding Frankenstein's monster comforting, but also hugely trans phobic and problematic.

It's the usual bollocks, isn't it.

Finding it a little odd that both those papers gave it five stars. Although the endless lusting after Gillian Anderson in the comments might have something to do with it.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 18:49

Echobelly · 15/05/2026 11:11

A person has an interpretation from a literary/art criticism point of view. They're not demanding everyone agrees, it's an opinion they are entitled to have and you are entitled to disagree with it find downright silly if you want.

It's like when someone did a play about Joan of Arc being trans and the whole of the media was up in arms that this constituted the writer/ director demanding the whole world recognise Joan as trans rather than the fact people use art to explore ideas, which is pretty well understood thing.

it's an opinion they are entitled to have and you are entitled to disagree with it find downright silly if you want

Yes they are and yes we did, so not sure what your point is!

WhatterySquash · 15/05/2026 21:57

It's Jane who has made a link between Frankenstein's monster, a fake pseudo-human made of a mash-up of dead bits who is psychologically tormented by its own existence, and trans people. I would have thought that was massively transphobic!

I also can't see how the monster is in any way like Norman Bates or Buffalo Bill. They reflect what has been well-known in psychology and criminology for a long time, that mentally unwell male murderers of women have high rates of cross-dressing. (In a real-life case I slightly knew the victim of, in the 90s, the killer then put on the victim's clothes.) It's a thing and related to the fact that sexual fetishes often come in groups and tend to escalate.

Frankenstein's monster is nothing like that, it isn't claiming to be a different sex or displaying a fetish and it it isn't evil. Though as we can see from Jane's confusion about who Frankestein is, Jane hasn't read the book.

CassOle · 15/05/2026 22:09

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 15/05/2026 13:08

I'd think having missed that huge, fundamental fact, they've also missed the pain and rage of the monster at having been constructed and created for another person's experimentation and agenda, then abandoning them to cope with this painful creation and its consequences.

It's deeply painful stuff in this context, it really is.

There is a flipping big clue in the book's title, “Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus”.

I guess the Prometheus bit passed this dude by.

CassOle · 15/05/2026 22:23

WhatterySquash · 15/05/2026 21:57

It's Jane who has made a link between Frankenstein's monster, a fake pseudo-human made of a mash-up of dead bits who is psychologically tormented by its own existence, and trans people. I would have thought that was massively transphobic!

I also can't see how the monster is in any way like Norman Bates or Buffalo Bill. They reflect what has been well-known in psychology and criminology for a long time, that mentally unwell male murderers of women have high rates of cross-dressing. (In a real-life case I slightly knew the victim of, in the 90s, the killer then put on the victim's clothes.) It's a thing and related to the fact that sexual fetishes often come in groups and tend to escalate.

Frankenstein's monster is nothing like that, it isn't claiming to be a different sex or displaying a fetish and it it isn't evil. Though as we can see from Jane's confusion about who Frankestein is, Jane hasn't read the book.

Norman Bates, Jame Gumb/Buffalo Bill, Leatherface and others... all inspired by Ed Gein.

Jame Gumb also had elements from Ted Bundy (how he lures his victims by pretending to be injured) and Gary Heidnik (the imprisonment of his victims).

It would make more sense if this director was getting all upset about 'Dressed to Kill'.

Hoardasurass · 15/05/2026 22:25

WhatterySquash · 15/05/2026 21:57

It's Jane who has made a link between Frankenstein's monster, a fake pseudo-human made of a mash-up of dead bits who is psychologically tormented by its own existence, and trans people. I would have thought that was massively transphobic!

I also can't see how the monster is in any way like Norman Bates or Buffalo Bill. They reflect what has been well-known in psychology and criminology for a long time, that mentally unwell male murderers of women have high rates of cross-dressing. (In a real-life case I slightly knew the victim of, in the 90s, the killer then put on the victim's clothes.) It's a thing and related to the fact that sexual fetishes often come in groups and tend to escalate.

Frankenstein's monster is nothing like that, it isn't claiming to be a different sex or displaying a fetish and it it isn't evil. Though as we can see from Jane's confusion about who Frankestein is, Jane hasn't read the book.

Both buffalo bill and Norman bates were based on Ed Geen (sp) who was a very disturbed man and not an association I would be bringing up in context of frannkenstiens monster or transgenderism if I was trans

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Hoardasurass · 15/05/2026 22:27

🤦‍♀️ Cross posted with @CassOle

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