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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Green Party candidate with no British visa elected to Holyrood

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IwantToRetire · 10/05/2026 22:18

Q Manivannan, who identifies as non-binary, was elected as an MSP on the Edinburgh & Lothians East list for the pro-independence Scottish Greens.

It was reported earlier this week that the former PhD student has appealed to colleagues for £2,089 of funding for a temporary graduate visa.

This would give the anthropologist and poet a further three years to work and live in the UK, picking up the taxpayer-funded MSP salary of £77,711.

Manivannan is said to have told colleagues this would help buy time to save up the £5,047 cost of applying for a global talent visa, the UK immigration category for promising individuals in specific sectors.

The self-described “queer Tamil immigrant” was only able to stand in the election after SNP ministers loosened the rules over who could be a Holyrood candidate.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/09/trans-green-party-candidate-migrant-elected-holyrood/
And at https://archive.is/LhZYy

Reform couldn't have dreamed for a better headline!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/09/trans-green-party-candidate-migrant-elected-holyrood

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murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:15

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 01:12

So you think they knew at least 3 years ago that they'd be able to secure a slot as a Green party candidate this year and have a chance at getting elected? Despite the fact that 3 years ago, the Green's prospects for election looked extremely different than they do today? Doesn't that actually seem highly unlikely if you're entirely honest with yourself?

Seriously, if you don't think this person is qualified as a candidate or that their immigrant status means they shouldn't have been allowed to stand, fine, whatever. Reasonable opinion, reasonable grounds for criticism. So I don't understand why, on top of that, you have to make up extra reasons to criticise them which are obviously not actually true. All that smacks of is you being a person who sees someone trans and automatically assumes all the worst things you can about them.

I would say the same about any overseas student who stood at a point where their visa was about to run out. This one merely got himself a quick in to a list. You can see why he went for the Greens.

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:16

Also, he's a PhD student. He may be many things but he's clearly not unintelligent. He will have thought about this, and fair play his strategy paid off. For now.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:17

WearyAuldWumman · 11/05/2026 00:02

Actually, I take back what I said about the claimed trans identity being irrelevant. I suspect that you're right - it was used to secure the nomination.

Nevertheless, I'm setting that aside in this context. The main issue is that he doesn't have the right to remain in the country and his election should be overturned in favour of the next person on the list.

He does currently have the right to live and work in the UK until his visa runs out. You can say he has no right to remain when his current visa expires and of his graduate visa application is denied at some future date.

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:17

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:17

He does currently have the right to live and work in the UK until his visa runs out. You can say he has no right to remain when his current visa expires and of his graduate visa application is denied at some future date.

20 hours a week. I'd expect more from an MSP.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:19

murasaki · 11/05/2026 00:08

Well quite. 20 plus years of university admin and working on UKVI audits tells me that 20 hours per week is the max allowed. And that he can't go part time on the PhD. He could take a break in studies, but that's another visa complication.

Wouldn’t he start the job after his studies are done and be doing it with a graduate visa?

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:21

Aren't they supposed to start the job now? Or shortly not in 4 months time. To be fair I don't know....

I'd assumed it was out and in, as we see with the general election.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:23

WearyAuldWumman · 11/05/2026 00:28

Well, yes - but now his political career is going to interfere with his studies. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.

I suppose that he might be able to finish his PhD whilst working in parliament.

It says former PhD student in the OP so perhaps he has finished or taking a leave of absence or dropped out?

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 01:24

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:15

I would say the same about any overseas student who stood at a point where their visa was about to run out. This one merely got himself a quick in to a list. You can see why he went for the Greens.

But you haven't just claimed that they were standing just to get their visa extended, you've specifically accused them of lying about their trans identity - despite having held since identity for at least 3 years and probably longer - just to get on the candidate list. So no, that isn't something you'd be saying about any overseas student, is it. Nor, I suspect, would you be spending time scrutinising the appearance of just any overseas student and using that as a basis to declare them a grifter because they didn't pass your woman test. You've specifically insulted, targeted and made accusations against Q Manivannan because of their trans identity. So trying to handwave away that you'd say that about any candidate isn't going to wash, sorry.

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 01:28

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:16

Also, he's a PhD student. He may be many things but he's clearly not unintelligent. He will have thought about this, and fair play his strategy paid off. For now.

Doing a PhD doesn't make you psychic. Are you still maintaining they decided more than 3 years ago to start identifying as trans because they had a psychic flash that in 2026 the Greens were going to have a leader who supported trans rights, that they'd be soaring in the polls, and that they'd be looking for candidates specifically in their area? If so, honestly, thank god they got elected, we need that kind of clairvoyant talent in politics.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:31

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:11

Doesn't apply to PhD students as a rule, as terms aren't considered in the same way as taught students.

Oxford University has this advice
“Following completion of their studies, students may work full-time. Completion of studies is usually interpreted as when the final exam is sat or when leave to supplicate is granted. In either case students should not work more than four months full-time on their student visa following completion of studies, unless they have submitted a valid application for a new visa status. Students who complete early and have a long period remaining on their student visa will be reported to the Home Office and their visa will be curtailed. Because this generally takes three to four months, the student should not be disadvantaged compared to those who complete on schedule.”

“When completing a right to work check for an employed student visa holder who is a graduate research student at Oxford you should print and retain a copy of the working while studying guidelines. This is sufficient to employ an Oxford graduate research student (who is a student visa holder) for up to twenty hours per week (along with a right to work check completed online). If you wish to employ a student visa holder who is a graduate research student at another institution, you must ask for written confirmation of term and vacation dates for the student’s course from the institution.
In circumstances where it is agreed between the graduate research student and their research supervisor that they may work beyond 20 hours per week, you must seek written permission from the student’s research supervisor which confirms that the student is considered to be on vacation (specifying the dates), that they are not expected to study or complete any work towards their thesis during this time, and that therefore may take full-time employment during the specified vacation period. You may use the Graduate Student Employment Template Letter to give to the student’s research supervisor to complete as evidence that the student may take full-time employment.”

How to complete a right to work check

Information for University of Oxford staff on the steps to take when complete a right to work check

https://staffimmigration.admin.ox.ac.uk/how-to-complete-rtw-check#collapse2869471

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:33

I know Q is in Scotland, but posting the Oxford Uni blurbs to show there’s wriggle room in the 20hrs/week limit.

LoremIpsumCici · 11/05/2026 01:36

murasaki · 11/05/2026 01:15

I would say the same about any overseas student who stood at a point where their visa was about to run out. This one merely got himself a quick in to a list. You can see why he went for the Greens.

But when else would they stand? They can’t stand at the start or middle of the student visa because that would be in breach of the student visa
purpose and limitations. Standing so that work would coincide with the end of studies and the start of a graduate visa (for graduates from UK Unis to work full time in a UK job) is the proper way to time it and stay in compliance with immigration regulations.

ElenOfTheWays · 11/05/2026 01:41

FireBucket · 10/05/2026 23:17

I'm just curious as to the logical conclusion of worrying about what Reform thinks of every candidate - should we just not have any trans, non-British or non-white MPs because Reform might not like it?

I loathe Reform (just to get that out of the way)
I don't think candidates should be trans (they are either unstable or working to a single agenda or both) or non British - I mean come on, surely this is obvious. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

What Reform thinks about it is besides the point - but, as it happens, my local Reform candidate isn't white. I don't think Reform are that bothered about that either. Bums on seats is what they want. Any colour bums.

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 01:44

ElenOfTheWays · 11/05/2026 01:41

I loathe Reform (just to get that out of the way)
I don't think candidates should be trans (they are either unstable or working to a single agenda or both) or non British - I mean come on, surely this is obvious. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

What Reform thinks about it is besides the point - but, as it happens, my local Reform candidate isn't white. I don't think Reform are that bothered about that either. Bums on seats is what they want. Any colour bums.

I'm not sure if I should congratulate you on being the first person honest enough to just come out and say that you don't think trans people should be MPs, or to just throw my hands up at the transphobia.

And before the inevitable argument starts, yes of course saying trans people should be barred from certain jobs just because they are trans is transphobia, it is the very definition of transphobia.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 11/05/2026 02:14

I haven't checked if the rules are the same but your link is for England.

This is the main page for the rules in Scotland:
www.electoralcommission.org.uk/running-electoral-registration-scotland/eligibility-register-vote

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/05/2026 06:21

1984Now · 11/05/2026 00:24

Sure, let's not be bothered that a non-citizen can run for office.
Let's not be bothered at all.
This is the Greens and progressive left generally snubbing their noses at the proles.
The biggest joke of course is not that this candidate is allowed, but that they're voted in, and the Greens despite years of ID politics on steroids, is under no threat politically.

Edited

The Green are the No Boarders Party, they want a world where anyone can drift into any place they like, get given whatever they need to live, housing, money, do any job they want, regardless of qualifications.
This grifter seems like a perfect fit for the Greens.

Wearenotborg · 11/05/2026 06:40

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 01:24

But you haven't just claimed that they were standing just to get their visa extended, you've specifically accused them of lying about their trans identity - despite having held since identity for at least 3 years and probably longer - just to get on the candidate list. So no, that isn't something you'd be saying about any overseas student, is it. Nor, I suspect, would you be spending time scrutinising the appearance of just any overseas student and using that as a basis to declare them a grifter because they didn't pass your woman test. You've specifically insulted, targeted and made accusations against Q Manivannan because of their trans identity. So trying to handwave away that you'd say that about any candidate isn't going to wash, sorry.

But this person does not claim to be a woman. He claims to be non binary. So how would someone prove they were non binary? It has no standing in any law. What is the proof he is non binary?

KnottyAuty · 11/05/2026 06:43

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 00:01

It may well be, and it may well appeal to the kind of person who thinks candidates being trans, non-white, immigrants, or god forbid all three, is a problem, but what I'm really not clear on is why we should care. Any MP who belongs to any kind of minority group, let alone more than one, is going to receive some hate for it, doesn't mean we should let that hate dictate who gets to stand as a candidate. As I said above, I don't get what the logical conclusion is - should we only stand white straight British males as MPs lest Reform god forbid get a nasty headline out of it, and who would actually benefit from that if we did?

He’s not an immigrant. Without a visa he’s not much different to a tourist. I think candidates for our government should show more commitment to the country before seeking election! It’s not an outlandish expectation!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/05/2026 06:46

FireBucket · 11/05/2026 01:28

Doing a PhD doesn't make you psychic. Are you still maintaining they decided more than 3 years ago to start identifying as trans because they had a psychic flash that in 2026 the Greens were going to have a leader who supported trans rights, that they'd be soaring in the polls, and that they'd be looking for candidates specifically in their area? If so, honestly, thank god they got elected, we need that kind of clairvoyant talent in politics.

England and Wales is a different Green Party. This is the Scottish one and they have had power in Scotland for years. No “psychic flash” needed 🙄

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/05/2026 06:46

I don't understand why there isn't a right to work check before they stand for election. It shouldn't be possible to get selected as a candidate without first demonstrating that you have leave to remain in the country for the duration of the term.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/05/2026 06:46

Back in the mists of time, before recorded history, in 2023.

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 06:57

It looks like he's committed fraud on his visa and therefore should be deported.

Having a guy who's never worked in his life, who LARPs as a "non-man", who was paid by the taxpayer to do a PhD in anti white gibberish, in which he spent most of his time writing about how much he hates white people on Bluesky, now being paid £80k a year by the taxpayer to work half a day a week is absurd, and obviously a gift to Reform and the Tories.

Just deport this man - and do it quickly!

Igneococcus · 11/05/2026 06:58

I've lived in several countries on visa (including PhD visa for some of that time) and I never thought this should give me rights to stand for election in a country. I wonder what his career options are with his PhD.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 11/05/2026 07:31

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/05/2026 06:46

I don't understand why there isn't a right to work check before they stand for election. It shouldn't be possible to get selected as a candidate without first demonstrating that you have leave to remain in the country for the duration of the term.

And that you are able to work the necessary hours to do the job.

Farce. How can they expect to be taken seriously as a party?

And yes, I will be interested to see if there is a capacity to care about and serve their community, or if this is merely being used as a place from which to promote transactivism and personal agenda, as experience of many others in political roles, particularly of Izzard trying to get elected, has always been the second.

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