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Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
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Igneococcus · 28/04/2026 10:49

There is really no possible compromise when you are either a woman or you are not. Dammit, evolution, how unkind of you.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

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Iatethelastbiscuit · 28/04/2026 10:49

HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:48

And to anyone still on the fence, take a look - a proper look - at the first few responses.

Are these rational, intelligent, or inquisitive responses and a desire to engage? Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people? Or might they possibly, just possibly, appear to underline my opening post? 🤔

Why did you start this thread on MN of all places? You must know literally no one here is going to agree with you? Only a man would be so arrogant to think they, one person with an argument that makes zero sense, can change the minds of millions of women. Maybe that’s how we know you’re not a woman. A real woman wouldn’t have the arrogance, entitlement, and audacity to do this.

Why do trans women always have to massively overcomplicate the answer to a very simple question? It’s gaslighting (another behaviour where male perpetrators massively outweigh female ones, so another clue to your gender). A woman is a person with a vagina (one she was born with not one made in an operating theatre). It’s literally that simple. It’s like asking what is a football? The answer is a round ball you kick with your feet. Yet there will always be some know-it-all that tries to muddy the waters with vague “philosophical” reasoning like, “But what if it’s stretched to make it oval? Does that no longer make it a football?”, “What if you use it to play volleyball and never kick it? Does that make it a volleyball ball?” No it doesn’t. I am looking at it with my eyes and it’s still a football. You can’t change facts that we can literally see with our eyes, with made-up philosophy.

You can be a trans woman if you want, a man who ‘presents’ to the world with his idea of what a woman looks like (and sometimes genuinely presents and looks like some biological women). But you will never be a woman, you will be a trans woman, shouldn’t that be enough? That the majority of society is accepting enough to accept you not as a man, but as a trans woman? For men who want to be women, shouldn’t that be enough of a compromise? It might not be exactly what you want, but it’s not exactly what a lot of women want either so, as grown-ups shouldn’t we be trying to meet in the middle - achieve some sort of compromise? Clearly not - that doesn’t seem to be enough for a lot of TRAs, they want their way, and only their way, at the detriment of the feelings, wants and needs of other people.

quantumbutterfly · 28/04/2026 10:50

EmpressaurusKitty · 28/04/2026 09:43

The last ‘reasonable’ plopper on here spent ages explaining why we should all be compassionate & campaign for safe third spaces for transpeople instead of expecting them to use the spaces for their own sex.

They kept either ignoring or misunderstanding us when we said we’d be fine with them having safe third spaces, but try putting that suggestion to the TRAs.

Why did Iggy Pop wear plastic trousers? Weren’t they sweaty?

From what I know of Iggy Pop he enjoyed a bit of discomfort.

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2026 10:51

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

I'm not attacking anyone.

But I would really love to know why you, or any other poster, thinks it's ok to take away women's single sex provision without their consent?

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 10:52

"the GC cult howling and screaming... That I should not exist"

Please explain how someone being gender critical and placing importance on sex not gender identity means you "should not exist"?

Helleofabore · 28/04/2026 10:52

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 10:44

I've set out my thinking, and proposed solutions, on previous threads. Not just on mumsnet, but in many, various places online.

I've argued long and hard with trans people ( who also don't want to compromise ) as well as with TERFs. I've spent many, many hours talking this over with both sides, listening to opinions, reading the literature, thinking about my position, rethinking my position...

The debate never changes. It never evolves. It's just a shouting match from both sides. I am so so done with it.

So what are your solutions then?

Third spaces ? We have already been suggesting that.

All mixed sex spaces? That has been shown to not be safe for female people.

Or just let some male people into female single sex provisions who someone arbitrates is female enough. Usually requiring a man to have brutal surgery to fulfill a requirement that means he is still male and still has the risk of causing harm just by being in the female single sex provision ?

Or is it to tell women and girls that they should damp down their distress at having a male person in a female single sex space and accept that male person because you, personally, don’t have an issue with male people accessing female single sex provisions?

Or did you have a suggestion that we haven’t heard before?

Beowulfa · 28/04/2026 10:55

I'm still waiting (17 pages) for the scientific proof about lady-brains.

I wonder if it will be an MRI scan showing a silhouette of a handbag? Or perhaps a high heeled shoe.

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 10:55

@HazelLemur

Please provide your sources about transwomen and women's brains being "identical"

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 10:57

@HazelLemur

Please explain why someone disagreeing with you about gender identity means they are "screeching that you should not exist"

Helleofabore · 28/04/2026 10:57

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

No one believes you don’t exist mate.

However, not one person has to act as if your belief in a subjective reality reflects material reality.

You exist as a human male person who demands that people support his belief that he is in any way female.

Yes your posts are combative. And then you claim victimhood for the reaction that your posts provoke.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 10:58

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 10:44

Thanks. Your approval means the world to me.

The thanks is all mine. It's always handy to have the incoherence of a position laid out so clearly. Thank you for your service.

DuchessofStaffordshire · 28/04/2026 10:59

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

Hateful opposition from a disproportionately noisy minority. Oh, the irony.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 11:05

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

No one is attacking anyone. TBH, I'd have thought you'd be particularly interested in why @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers only believes that 'TWAW' in some circumstances. What is that all about? Although I guess you probably aren't a naturally curious person.

Iatethelastbiscuit · 28/04/2026 11:05

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

And why do you think it’s “got much, much worse over the last few years?”
hmm maybe because of Isla Bryson, Karen White, Lia Tomlinson maybe?, The multiple incidents on SM of “trans women” wanking in female toilets then claiming THEY feel unsafe because they’re “being discriminated against” and they have a right to be there. If you truly were a woman you’d understand how horrible that must feel for a woman in that situation, and look to work towards some sort of compromise that respects the rights and feelings of women. But you’re not a woman and therefore cannot possibly understand how threatened women feel by men on a daily basis, whether that man is in a dress or regular man clothes.

FormerCautiousLurker · 28/04/2026 11:07

One day people on MN will learn to just ignore these posts entirely. Zero replies and stone cold silence. It’s all they deserve.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 11:09

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

This is pure theatre.

Nobody is being “attacked” for being calm. They are being challenged because they are arguing for male access to female spaces and then refusing to justify it.

Calling women a “cult”, “howling”, “screeching”, “pathetic”, and “hateful” while presenting yourself as the injured party is not moral courage. It is DARVO with better punctuation.

Women are allowed to say no. Women are allowed to ask why their privacy, dignity and consent should be overridden. Women are allowed to challenge other women who argue that female boundaries should give way to male inclusion.

You do not get to enter a women’s rights board, insult women repeatedly, demand access to female language and spaces, and then appoint yourself protector of “calm rationality”.

The issue remains exactly where it was:

Female spaces are for females.

No amount of self-pity, insult or theatrical victimhood changes that.

You are not a woman of any type, you are entirely male, and always will be.

Helleofabore · 28/04/2026 11:10

READER'S NOTE ABOUT FEMALE BRAIN STRUCTURE

Male brains are never going to be 'identical' or 'almost identical' to female brains. There are significant differences and remain significant differences.

Here is why.

Tweet from Dr Emma Hilton

x.com/fondofbeetles/status/2046635369664319628?s=46

If you grow male brain neurones and female brain neurones on a plate, then subject them to injury via stretching, the female neurones "break" earlier and the male neurones recover quicker, because they activate a stronger and more efficient inflammatory response.

Female brains are more fragile under injury conditions, and they don't recover as well.

Plus an article from the Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/your-family/2026/04/21/pink-concussion-how-womens-brain-injuries-differ-biologically-from-mens/
https://archive.is/R0wo8

in this article, US neurologist Dr Beth McQuiston states:

When it comes to the biology of concussion, there are three main differences between men and women that we know of, she explains in a video call from her home in Chicago. “Women tend to have less muscular necks. So when an injury occurs, say whether it’s a car accident or if it’s on a pitch, there is less support here,” she says, putting hands up to either side of her neck.

Secondly, there is a difference in the microarchitecture of the brain. Women have more neurons crossing the corpus callosum – a structure in the middle of the brain that connects the right and left hemispheres – and they are thinner.

A third factor is the menstrual cycle. “Given the same woman at a different time, exact same injury, there can be a different outcome, depending on whether progesterone levels are high or low. It is worse if it is in the luteal phase [ie after ovulation, approximately days 15-28 of a 28-day cycle], when the progesterone levels are high and then all of a sudden they drop abruptly.” This is due to the effect of the trauma on the pituitary gland, right in the centre of the head.

“That is very intriguing,” says McQuiston. “We’re looking at studies right now, [asking] can someone be on a certain type of oral contraception, or can they take a certain kind of medication, to attenuate that drop if they had a concussion?”

Research indicates women have more post-concussive symptoms and usually take longer to recover. “

This was also studied for Rugby by the Swansea University in 2020

Rugby concussion: Swansea University study into protecting women https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51434749

Emma Hilton (@FondOfBeetles) on X

If you grow male brain neurones and female brain neurones on a plate, then subject them to injury via stretching, the female neurones "break" earlier and the male neurones recover quicker, because they activate a stronger and more efficient inflammator...

https://x.com/fondofbeetles/status/2046635369664319628?s=46

GenderlessVoid · 28/04/2026 11:11

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 10:49

And the sneering attacks continue, this time against poor @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers who - from what I can see - has been nothing but calm, concise, and rational on this thread (characteristics which evidently draw the ire of the cult).

If my opening post was combative, which I accept elements of it can be construed that way, then it's because my lived experience is precisely that which happens on this board; the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.

That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.
I was fully aware of the MN reputation when I made my post, and I stand by that post.

What I do not stand by, and will not stand by and do nothing, is you attacking posters other than me simply because they were courageous enough to stick their heads above the parapet and make calm, rational statements that just happen to be at odds with the cult's ideology.
That is not acceptable.

Attack me all you like - honestly, I find it as amusing as it is pathetic - but leave posters like @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers alone.

the GC cult howling and screeching that I am not a 'real' woman and should not exist.
That we've faced hateful opposition from a minority, but a disproportionately noisy one, has been our lived experience for a long time, but it has gotten much, much worse in the last few years.

Who is saying you shouldn't exist? Transwomen exist. They are men. How is that denying your existence or suggesting.that you shouldn't exist?

I don't deny your inner feelings. Few gender critical people do. I completely accept that you identify as a woman. I have no problems with that. I've had my own struggles with identity, gender and otherwise. But none of that changes material reality or suggests that other people have to accept that your gender identity overrides either their own lived experience or material reality.

I have no problems with gender identity at all and will do my best to protect your right to identify as you choose as long as you don't try to impose that belief on others.

I think for some people gender identity is important but that sex is important for everyone and, many times, is more important for society than gender identity.

What is hateful about that?

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 11:12

HazelLemur 'the GC cult howling and screeching.'

it's interesting how in cases like this, the mask always slips and some sexist trope is revealed, in this case that women who say things the poster disagrees with are not human - humans speak; 'howling and screeching' is what animals do.

Probably including lemurs😁

wishingonastar101 · 28/04/2026 11:13

yawn

Helleofabore · 28/04/2026 11:14

READER'S NOTE: MALE PEOPLE WITH TRANSGENDER IDENTITIES HAVE DISTINCT PATTERNS OF BRAIN FUNCTION WHILE BEING MORE ALIGNED WITH THE MALE RANGE

Comparing local brain activity and distant functional connectivity in transgender women compared to cisgender controls

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-026-40083-8

16 February 2026

Xiongyu Li, Zhibiao Xiang et al

Abstract
To date, the knowledge about the neurobiological mechanisms associated with transgender populations, especially transgender women (TW), remains limited and lacks consensus. This study aims to fill such gaps using the functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) method. Resting-state fMRI data was obtained from 16 TW, 16 cisgender men (CM), and 16 cisgender women (CW). Measures of local brain activity and distant functional connectivity (FC) were compared among groups. Several corresponding dynamic measures were also explored based on the assumption of fluctuating brain functional organizations over time. For local brain activity, TW showed higher amplitude of low-frequency fluctuation within the cerebellum, precentral gyrus, and thalamus, as well as lower regional homogeneity in the precuneus than cisgender participants. For FC measures, TW showed weaker FCs mainly involving the ventral attention and sensorimotor networks, as well as lower local efficiency than cisgender participants. In most of these measures, CM were intermediate among the three groups (i.e., TW < CM < CW, or TW > CM > CW). Our results suggest that TW have distinct patterns of brain function compared with cisgender people, while they are more aligned with those of CM (their sex assigned at birth) rather than CW.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-026-40083-8_reference.pdf

Noted within the review : ”Another limitation regarding the sample is that we did not control for the impact of hormones.” and I also noted “Finally, given the higher risk of depression andmood disorders in TW, absence of emotional assessment as a control variable limits the robustness of our conclusions”.

Comparing local brain activity and distant functional connectivity in transgender women compared to cisgender controls - Scientific Reports

To date, the knowledge about the neurobiological mechanisms associated with transgender populations, especially transgender women (TW), remains limited and lacks consensus. This study aims to fill such gaps using the functional magnetic resonance imagi...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-026-40083-8?error=cookies_not_supported&code=f6fe8308-ac00-460d-b0da-28cf7b818b9e

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 11:14

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 11:09

This is pure theatre.

Nobody is being “attacked” for being calm. They are being challenged because they are arguing for male access to female spaces and then refusing to justify it.

Calling women a “cult”, “howling”, “screeching”, “pathetic”, and “hateful” while presenting yourself as the injured party is not moral courage. It is DARVO with better punctuation.

Women are allowed to say no. Women are allowed to ask why their privacy, dignity and consent should be overridden. Women are allowed to challenge other women who argue that female boundaries should give way to male inclusion.

You do not get to enter a women’s rights board, insult women repeatedly, demand access to female language and spaces, and then appoint yourself protector of “calm rationality”.

The issue remains exactly where it was:

Female spaces are for females.

No amount of self-pity, insult or theatrical victimhood changes that.

You are not a woman of any type, you are entirely male, and always will be.

Edited

Not for the first time, you are in error.

People are, very clearly, attacked on this board - on a regular basis - for their beliefs; it's almost as bad as Reddit, tbh.

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TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 11:15

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 11:14

Not for the first time, you are in error.

People are, very clearly, attacked on this board - on a regular basis - for their beliefs; it's almost as bad as Reddit, tbh.

Must have missed all of the rape and death threats on here.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 11:17

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 11:14

Not for the first time, you are in error.

People are, very clearly, attacked on this board - on a regular basis - for their beliefs; it's almost as bad as Reddit, tbh.

No. People are challenged here for arguments, not merely “beliefs”.

If someone says female spaces should include males, women are entitled to ask why female privacy, dignity and consent should be overridden.

That is not an “attack”. That is scrutiny.

And in this thread, the actual insults have overwhelmingly come from the OP: “cult”, “howling”, “screeching”, “pathetic”, “hateful”.

So no, I am not “in error”. Disagreement is not persecution. Women defending their boundaries is not abuse.

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