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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A Reddit discussion focussing on Trans and not being shut down / users downvoted into oblivion

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/04/2026 15:42

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1sqj09b/new_university_free_speech_complaints_system_to/

turns out some people on Reddit are open minded after all. This specific sub Reddit does not show up and down votes I think so have half fixed the echo chamber effect

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MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:01

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:57

Yes I have. They are vile.
WHY should transgender healthcare not be in the NHS? Trans people pay taxes just like everyone else. HRT is, for many of them an instantly successful treatment for gender incongruence. It actually SAVES the NHS money not having to deal with other related problems down the line.
No doubt you choose to believe trans people choose to be transgender so this is elective. It is not.
But if you think trans pale skulls find their own care rather than have it provided by the NHS that they pay into, should we ALSO deny treatment to alcoholics, smokers, drug takers, those injured fighting, people with non life threatening physical malformations too? Or weight loss drugs, gastric bands etc? Because THEY are all based on personal choices

If trans people have mental issues, then they need therapy. You are suggesting being transgender is an ILLNESS as to require it to be treated on the NHS (which is what the NHS is for). Think.

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:07

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 21/05/2026 22:10

It's always about the trans women

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:16

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I ignored it for your own benefit, and my sanity, at first. But you want to use fallacies to argue your point for you, I'll point them out and return the favour.

The NHS doesn't treat homeless people by giving them homes. They refer them to the necessary social workers. They don't treat drug addicts by funding their drug addiction. They don't treat fighters by giving them their own, 'safe', fighting-ring. They don't treat suicidal people with euthanesia.

And they certainly shouldn't be treating mental disorders with physical surgery. That's why it's already been proven gender dysphoria actually INCREASES post- transition.

You want to call gender dysphoria 'stress'? In any other case, we relieve stress mentally. You cannot treat mental stress physically. If you want to stop feeling stressed, you get therapy. You take a bath. You go for a walk. You knit. You get a hobby that isn't endlessly obessing over whether you 'pass', or join subreddits constantly reminding you of ways to 'be a passing trans person'.

Gender dysphoria doesn't easily go away at all even after 'gender-affirming surgery'. That's why there's thousands of posts over on little ol' reddit FROM people who are on hormones, who've had surgeries, venting about their dysphoria. So, no, it isn't effectively treated. It isn't easily treated by physical changes. And your argument is debunked.

I want trans people to be happy with who they are. With the bodies woven for them by their DNA, shaped by their natural environment. You're appealing to motive, but that does nothing to make my argument any less correct.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:21

CharIi · 21/05/2026 20:42

And yet that’s not much, if anything in the way of diversity of thought on here really is there?
That I can see, there is just eliminationism.
I mean I understand that not everyone is inclusive. But this just feels like mockery and hate.
Personally I’m an intersectional feminist. And that includes trans women. So I’m probably not long for this place. I’ve just been appalled with it.

Trans women are blokes though, so you’re a feminist for men? Weird bit of Stockholm syndrome there

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:22

MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:16

I ignored it for your own benefit, and my sanity, at first. But you want to use fallacies to argue your point for you, I'll point them out and return the favour.

The NHS doesn't treat homeless people by giving them homes. They refer them to the necessary social workers. They don't treat drug addicts by funding their drug addiction. They don't treat fighters by giving them their own, 'safe', fighting-ring. They don't treat suicidal people with euthanesia.

And they certainly shouldn't be treating mental disorders with physical surgery. That's why it's already been proven gender dysphoria actually INCREASES post- transition.

You want to call gender dysphoria 'stress'? In any other case, we relieve stress mentally. You cannot treat mental stress physically. If you want to stop feeling stressed, you get therapy. You take a bath. You go for a walk. You knit. You get a hobby that isn't endlessly obessing over whether you 'pass', or join subreddits constantly reminding you of ways to 'be a passing trans person'.

Gender dysphoria doesn't easily go away at all even after 'gender-affirming surgery'. That's why there's thousands of posts over on little ol' reddit FROM people who are on hormones, who've had surgeries, venting about their dysphoria. So, no, it isn't effectively treated. It isn't easily treated by physical changes. And your argument is debunked.

I want trans people to be happy with who they are. With the bodies woven for them by their DNA, shaped by their natural environment. You're appealing to motive, but that does nothing to make my argument any less correct.

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Well said, every word

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Myalternate · 21/05/2026 22:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:22

Well said, every word

I’ll second that 👏

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:26

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:30

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No amount of bodily autonomy allows you to actually change sex, or even pass as the opposite sex

popping on a dress, is just that, dressing and theater

And nobody is forcing anyone to detransition, not least because you cannot transition to another sex, but also nobody gives a fuck if you wander around at 6’3” with a skirt so short we can see your balls (ok, we do, and I’m a guy)

nobody hates you

just stay out of female spaces and stop pretending you changed sex you fantasist.

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MouseQueen · 21/05/2026 22:31

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Do you know what 'appealing to motive' means? It means you are suggesting I am making my argument because of hidden motives. Not that I actually DO have hidden motives. You have to be ragebaiting because there's no way you can be so blind.

Justme56 · 21/05/2026 22:31

I remember a few years ago didn’t they do a consultation on toilets where Stonewall were pushing for more unisex facilities. So now the guidelines are saying to service providers make sure you have a mix so everyone is catered for and people are still not happy. There seems like there is no pleasing some people.

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:34

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Bertiebiscuit · 21/05/2026 22:35

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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Bit testerical there mate

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:36

Bertiebiscuit · 21/05/2026 22:35

Bit testerical there mate

Unlike you, bloke on Mumsnet. I am both a cisgender women and a mother.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 21/05/2026 22:39

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They delete for personal attacks

Maybe have a think about how you are addressing people

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 21/05/2026 22:46

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I can’t see what yous aid, maybe you were being a twat?

Tell me again I’m listening. Also telling people who are trans they are not normal is a bit transphobic man :)

Also, respond to the points, thats a discussion

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drspouse · 21/05/2026 22:58

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/04/2026 16:05

Well yes - BUT - there are responses and they have been allowed to stay!!

I looked just now and a heck of a lot of deletions.

PaterPower · 21/05/2026 23:20

Trans identifying men do not take HRT. They can’t - because they’re not replacing hormones they’ve lost / have naturally depleted as part of menopause.

What they (well, at least the proportion who can be bothered to even go that far) are doing is dosing their bodies with concentrations of hormones that evolution didn’t tailor them for.

And taking massive doses of oestrogen doesn’t ‘transition’ anything. It shrinks their testes a bit and adds some fat to their chest but it doesn’t magic up a set of ovaries, produce a womb, alter their pelvic girdle, reduce their height or shrink their Adam’s apple.

They’ll maintain whatever levels of aggression they had before the hormones, their brains will remain as they were, and future archaeologists will be able to identify them as men from their skeletal remains.

I believe men (and women) should be able to present however they prefer, wearing whatever makes them happiest, without fear of violence or open derision. I don’t believe it’s ‘kind’ to pander to delusions around ‘lady brain’ or ‘born the wrong sex’ or ‘assigned’ sex at birth or all the other nonsense that gets regurgitated by TRAs.

And women (and men) deserve the privacy and safety of single SEX spaces in toilets, changing rooms, prisons etc and should be able to compete in sports, fairly, against their own sex.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 06:39

CharIi · 21/05/2026 21:10

I’ll have to take your word for it because all I have seen here is wall to wall hatred and trans eliminationism.
The only real argument I have seen in these boards on trans people is whether they should be

  1. Segregated
  2. Driven from society
  3. Forcibly detransitioned
  4. Eradicated

I mean I knew when I came here that your were very right wing in matters of inclusion and diversity. But honestly, I am appalled!

Are you even mothers here? This sounds more like 4Chan. Have any of you even had a negative experience with a trans woman in the loo? A real one I mean, not a made up one. Because I never have and I’m in my 50s and I’ve seen them occasionally, throughout my life. If anything, the ones I’ve noticed just get in, do their business and get out. They have never even spoken in there unless spoken to, so I REALLY don’t get the rage.
Nobody even cared about this until 2023.
What have they done to make to hate them so viscerally?
i remember in 2010 the government telling gay and trans folks “come out. Live your true authentic lives. You are safe with us”. Fiend out THAT was a lie wasn’t it?

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If you had been here for more than two seconds you would know there are multiple posters who yes have had negative experiences with transwomen and their behaviour, because shock horror, transwomen are men and men are human and men are capable of being shithead as being transwomen does not make them somehow saintly men who can do no wrong.

Bad men do bad things. Some of these bad men claim a trans identity. Women want the same protections they have from men to also apply to transwomen rather than transwomen to be given a status of unquestionable and unchallengeable - because this is actively dangerous.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 06:40

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:36

Unlike you, bloke on Mumsnet. I am both a cisgender women and a mother.

There's no such thing as cisgender. This is an offensive term.

Mother only accurately applies to women.

AuntieFaa · Yesterday 06:42

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Wearenotborg · Yesterday 06:50

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:36

Unlike you, bloke on Mumsnet. I am both a cisgender women and a mother.

What I don’t understand is, how did the CIS get their own gender? As far as I know, no other professional body has its own gender. What is so special about CIS? Do you have to have a CSCS card to be this gender or is it self id?
I do applaud you being a woman in construction though. Well done on smashing gender stereotypes.

Shedmistress · Yesterday 06:51

CharIi · 21/05/2026 22:36

Unlike you, bloke on Mumsnet. I am both a cisgender women and a mother.

Cis is a slur and if reported, will get you deleted on here.

If you can manage to string two sentences together without raging, please do explain how men change into women, and at what point the change happens, thanks in advance.

Shedmistress · Yesterday 06:52

Wearenotborg · Yesterday 06:50

What I don’t understand is, how did the CIS get their own gender? As far as I know, no other professional body has its own gender. What is so special about CIS? Do you have to have a CSCS card to be this gender or is it self id?
I do applaud you being a woman in construction though. Well done on smashing gender stereotypes.

Far too niche.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 06:56

I don't believe in cis. This undermines my rights as a woman. And a man still remains a man after surgery because it is cosmetic surgery not a magic wand that changes the whole reproductive system and cell make up. There is no such thing as changing sex.

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