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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

STONEWALL REVERSE FERRET INCOMING

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Taytoface · 19/04/2026 07:47

So, it looks like their income tanking might have finally made them see that trans rights is not quite the gravy train they thought it was. They are now pivoting to getting compensation for gay veterans who were badly treated. And apparently JKR is a wonderful lady, just needs to be a wee bit more kind.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/19/things-could-go-backwards-kezia-dugdale-on-safety-lgbtq-rights-and-the-future-of-stonewall

‘Things could go backwards’: Kezia Dugdale on safety, LGBTQ+ rights and the future of Stonewall

Exclusive: Former Scottish Labour leader says she feels more scared as a lesbian today and calls for a kinder debate on transgender issues

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/19/things-could-go-backwards-kezia-dugdale-on-safety-lgbtq-rights-and-the-future-of-stonewall

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BeMoreBear · 20/04/2026 17:39

NotAtMyAge · 20/04/2026 15:46

😂😂It would certainly melt the icing. 😁

No candles on a cake for me, but plenty of little treats all week instead. 😊

Happy birthday this week, NotAtMyAge, hope it's everything you want for your 80th!

EmpressaurusKitty · 20/04/2026 17:53

It gets better. They saw that Maya said something on LinkedIn about hoping Sex Matters could talk to KD. They’re now livid.

Taytoface · 20/04/2026 17:54

Oof. Just caught up on the thread and I am confirm that I shall not be reverse ferreting on the reverse ferret

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BeMoreBear · 20/04/2026 17:58

Taytoface · 20/04/2026 17:54

Oof. Just caught up on the thread and I am confirm that I shall not be reverse ferreting on the reverse ferret

Wise. I hope we I haven't ruined your thread? There's some good discussion in amongst the...um... robust conversation, shall we say.

ItsCoolForCats · 20/04/2026 18:01

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/04/2026 11:32

There is a Guardian podcast of this interview. Helen Pidd presses KD more than we might expect from a Guardian journalist & there is a contribution from Libby Brooks who is one of the few Guardian journalists still standing who reports objectively on gender issues..

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/stonewalls-new-chair-on-trans-rights-jk-rowling-and/id1440133626?i=1000762321691

Wow. I've just listened, and I agree, it is quite nuanced and balanced (for the Guardian at least). There is a good discussion regarding the criticisms of Stonewall, more than in the article. And I've never found Lobby Brooks to be balanced, but she does give a good summary of the issues here.

ItsCoolForCats · 20/04/2026 18:03

Also, Kezia Dugdale seems to want to turn her back on the no debate era and listen to different viewpoints. Has no-one told her how utterly uncompromising the trans lobby is? And the fact that she wants to focus on other things, such as the other groups represented under the acronym, will be viewed as LITERAL GENOCIDE.

BeMoreBear · 20/04/2026 18:10

ItsCoolForCats · 20/04/2026 18:03

Also, Kezia Dugdale seems to want to turn her back on the no debate era and listen to different viewpoints. Has no-one told her how utterly uncompromising the trans lobby is? And the fact that she wants to focus on other things, such as the other groups represented under the acronym, will be viewed as LITERAL GENOCIDE.

Well, if she's not very careful, she'll find herself on their hit list PDQ. Welcome to our world, Kezia! Try "debating " yourself out of that!

BusyAzureTraybake · 20/04/2026 21:34

Superb article.

And as we now see, it was an unmitigated disaster. Quite apart from wrecking lives, the project was stupidly counterproductive. Over time, it caused people to become a lot less conscientious about how they talked and thought about trans-identified people generally — and also about gays and lesbians, often pulled unwillingly into the alphabet soup. For, once the big guns had been wheeled out against politely accurate sentences and age-old habits of mind, there was no effective social cudgel left to wield against genuinely poisonous discourse.

A lot of social change comes from moderate people gently pushing back against racism, homophobia, true transphobia etc in their families and communities. If you start calling those moderates 'bigots' and telling them to 'die in a grease fire' because they are not fully onboard with every social justice utterance, then many of them will stop pushing back against the true bigots and may even start to consider whether the bigots might have a point. What happened in Stonewall was a complete failure to understand human nature.

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 21/04/2026 11:37

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

Grin
ArabellaScott · 21/04/2026 11:37

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

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That's a wee shame.

MyThreeWords · 21/04/2026 11:58

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

Poor Stonewall. Like a detransitioner whose mates all turn on her, because her regret raises a flicker of horror in them that their own medicalisation might have been a detour not a cure.

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 13:20

MyThreeWords · 21/04/2026 11:58

Poor Stonewall. Like a detransitioner whose mates all turn on her, because her regret raises a flicker of horror in them that their own medicalisation might have been a detour not a cure.

I wouldn’t give Stonewall the credit of feeling regret for having done the wrong thing. I’d think they were most likely to be doing whatever they thought would keep them afloat.

When I came out, late 90s / millennium, I volunteered for them, donated & bought loads of their stuff.

I’m never going to forgive them for betraying lesbians & if they end up hated by both sides & unable to keep going it’s only what they deserve.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 21/04/2026 13:25

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

#sadtimes

MyThreeWords · 21/04/2026 13:29

You are probably right, @EmpressaurusKitty .

I too am old enough to remember them as such a positive and admirable organisation, strong and determined in the face of AIDS, and of all the homophobia that ramped up on the pretext of AIDS.

I would never have believed they would have become something so negative, especially for lesbians. Possibly even without the trans bandwagon their corporate drift (and the drift towards male exhibitionism?) would have undermined them, but nothing like so catastrophically.

NotAtMyAge · 21/04/2026 15:15

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

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They really don't know anything, do they?

BeMoreBear · 21/04/2026 15:34

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/04/2026 11:02

There are now multiple threads on trans uk Reddit about this, declaring that Stonewall have always been anti trans & wanting them banned from Pride because trans people would feel unsafe.

Oh dear.

Oh dear. Let me get my teeny, tiny violin... I had it here somewhere...

BeMoreBear · 21/04/2026 15:34

NotAtMyAge · 21/04/2026 15:15

They really don't know anything, do they?

Snap!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/04/2026 15:44

NotAtMyAge · 21/04/2026 15:15

They really don't know anything, do they?

But to minds as small as theirs that probably looks like the size of a cello. 😂

MarieDeGournay · 21/04/2026 15:48

Wouldn't it be great if Stonewall was sued by one [or more] of the bodies who had judgements against them because they followed Stonewall Law and not The Law?
I've no idea on what basis, but it's an entertaining thoughtGrin

BeMoreBear · 21/04/2026 17:54

MarieDeGournay · 21/04/2026 15:48

Wouldn't it be great if Stonewall was sued by one [or more] of the bodies who had judgements against them because they followed Stonewall Law and not The Law?
I've no idea on what basis, but it's an entertaining thoughtGrin

I would pay good money to watch some of those court cases!

lcakethereforeIam · 21/04/2026 17:56

Isn't Allison Bailey still pursuing action against Stonewall?

MyAmpleSheep · 21/04/2026 18:13

lcakethereforeIam · 21/04/2026 17:56

Isn't Allison Bailey still pursuing action against Stonewall?

If I remember rightly she had lodged a request to the Supreme Court to hear her appeal against the dismissal of her appeal in the Court of Appeal of the EAT's decision to dismiss her appeal from the ET's decision that Stonewall were not guilty of inducement.

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2026 19:41

MarieDeGournay · 21/04/2026 15:48

Wouldn't it be great if Stonewall was sued by one [or more] of the bodies who had judgements against them because they followed Stonewall Law and not The Law?
I've no idea on what basis, but it's an entertaining thoughtGrin

As a side note, the University of Essex were somewhat annoyed at the shite advice they got from Stonewall -

https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-university-of-essex-exposes-stonewalls-toxicity/

The University of Essex turns on Stonewall

This week the University of Essex published an open apology to two female professors who it had no-platformed in December 2019 due to their gender-critical views. The university also published a full report replete with recommendations and future actio...

https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-university-of-essex-exposes-stonewalls-toxicity/

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