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I know that mn doesn't work this way, but given that there have recently been 3 threads basically saying 'what's all the fuss about tg' , expecting posters to engage and rehash all the posts that have been gone over already, it would be great if could have FAQ pinned at the top.
Starting with 'Why do you all hate tw?'

This has made my day! Thank you for telling me. I have a lot of data now and look at it objectively.

I listen to loads of views and look at a lot of designs. Robin Moira White has been informative. Robin used to work on the railways. The men used to check the toilets to see if there were any men in them before letting the women use them, in the days before the railway workers had female toilets. Robin calls ‘gender neutral’ toilets ghettos and wants to use the women’s toilets. Robin has the awareness to realise women don’t want to hear and see men in the same area so has a solution of making the cubicle itself private within a mixed sex space. This is the worst health and safety option.

The UK got it mostly right in 1992.

I also look at designs around the world. Japan have some amazing designs. There’s a public toilet that has clear glass walls so you can see everything inside it before you enter. When you pull the handle from inside the glass goes opaque. It was designed by a man and won awards. Now the stories from women: a lone woman was walking by and a man triggered the glass to go clear and he was looking at her, masturbating. Another woman was being driven by a taxi driver. The driver pulled right up to use this toilet then he stared at her, the whole time he sat on the toilet and went for a poo - he didn’t use the handle to trigger the opaqueness.

ROFL

Ugh.

They should really, and I'm serious about this, let feminists rubber stamp all these designs. Because sure as shit (as it were) they will know exactly how men would exploit them.

Here is the link to Helen talking about the disadvantages of fully enclosed toilets.

It's about 42 minutes in. The entire podcast is very interesting, but that's the bit about toilets.

Brilliant! She speaks so clearly and has obviously done her homework.

Well, if you haven't contacted her directly, then she's found out some other way all about your work.

You're the only person talking about this!

It's getting out there 👏

Yes Marie. Totally in agreement.
Partly why I posted " same old 💩different day" on one of those threads

The arguments are either faux naiveté or just a wind-up
And I try not to bite but bloody hell there's some crap spouted at times.
Calling people transphobes all the timeis such a cop-out

(wish I'd seen Corgi's post though)

Oh you win @Pingponghavoc 🏅

It's funny that you bring up debate club....

When suitable chastisement with a kitchen implement makes one’s point so much more effectively.

Quite, why bother with erudition, by which I mean acquiring some, when you can just threaten to rape women with a rolling pin.

The young woman who posted about asking for help with her masters survey asked questions and replied in a polite and friendly, patient way. People took offence at her language, which she politely apologised for and asked for clarification of, and she was attacked and bombarded with the same questions for her to answer over and over.

She was mocked with “eye rolling” comments, had her grammar ripped apart for really minor mistakes (especially for someone with dyslexia) and people despaired that she didn’t know the answers to the questions she asked, without actually helping her out. She was told to do her research, but was doxxed because she went to Reddit with her questions.

The women who were using her full name in responses were clearly only doing so to be sinister and threatening; there is no other reason to full name someone in a post other than to hint that there is a risk. Which then materialised when an email address to an ethics committee was provided for people to report her to. There was zero concern for safeguarding a young woman at all, and it was deeply disturbing.

So yeah, I wonder why more people don’t come asking questions?

Was that today? I missed it.

What was the survey?

On this board? I don’t remember seeing that.

I had a look around, it was on the non member requests board a few days ago. Survey about children's clothing. Most people would not have seen it, or answered if they did, and I don't know why this board is being singled out for criticism. Unless everywhere is getting scoldy posts, maybe they are.

There was a thread started on this board alerting people to it, with one poster inviting more people to join in and report the student to her ethics committee. It’s since been deleted though.

As far as I remember, and I didn’t post on the thread, just read it, she posted her own email address to someone which was in her name. So no “doxxing” took place, she freely gave her name and apparently it was on the survey too. I think she got a bit of a hard time FWIW but there’s no need to exaggerate. And it wasn’t particularly nice or professional of her to post on Reddit, a deeply misogynistic space, about the women on MN she was talking to. I realise she probably wasn’t aware of that though.

Also, it wasn't in FWR and it wasn’t just FWR posters who took issue with the survey. If people have genuine questions about trans issues, I believe they’d be answered reasonably by most women here.

Yes, her name was on the survey. Why would anyone start using her full name though, when you could use her username? To make repeated replies using both her first name and surname is surely a veiled threat? A reminder that she isn’t anonymous? Why else would someone honestly do that? And to encourage to report her and threaten her masters is also spiteful. I don’t think I’m exaggerating. She was very naive, I agree, but those people using her name were doing it for nefarious reasons and knew better.

They were angry about her running off to survey the misogynistic wankers on Reddit about it, who came out with all their predictable mansplainy wank and shite jokes. I agree that anger was misdirected and she was just a naive young woman. I agree that threatening to report her wasn’t nice. But I think those posters genuinely weren’t happy about the Reddit thread.

This is all speculation on my part, as it has zero to do with me. I rolled my eyes at the Reddit wankers, that’s all. I said I didn’t think she meant anything by it.

If the silly woman made her full name known, people may have used it back to point out what she'd done. It would have been better to report the post as a danger, and get it closed down, but maybe they tried that and didn't get a response.

I dunno, I long ago and in another job decided I was not going to do student's jobs for them by answering their half baked surveys. See also sales and marketting bods' half baked surveys.

You’ll never make me think that they weren’t being anything other than intimidating by using her full name. Nor do I believe they were reporting it and then needing to have their own posts removed for using her name. I think anyone who is ever doxxed will be because they’ve given too much information about themselves either naively, stupidly, or accidentally, or because they have a job in the public eye, and I don’t think it’s fair to blame them for how people react maliciously to that information.

If people don’t want to do the survey, that’s fine. They could click past without all the nastiness. I filled it in mostly due to having university aged DC and knowing how difficult it can be to get data.

OP I think this could be a good illustration on what we say about the forced changes to words that render them meaningless when they are used when they mean the opposite. Here is Weddel declaring about how he is all about ‘love’ and ‘peace’ when his actions are anything but about those two concepts.

x.com/redtory2016/status/2043076977200861340?s=46

But how could they have known her name if she had not already doxxed herself?

They used to tell us young people are 'digital natives', but all the obvious rules we knew a quarter of a century ago - when you are online don't use your real name, don't post your address, don't tell the world your DoB, don't identify yourself, don't tell everyone your mother's maiden name, don't tell us all when you're going on holiday, are constantly being ignored.

Absolutely no idea who this is referring to or what, sorry. Got links?

I mean ffs, we are not running a coddling and naiceness service.

We're just here to.discuss stuff.