Poor Semenya

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https://news.sky.com/story/if-women-must-stop-competing-so-be-it-semenyas-rallying-cry-over-olympics-transgender-athlete-ban-13525463

He's fighting for women's dignity apparently. The article says nothing about the children he's fathered, whilst being a woman of course.

I do!

I wondered who the heroine who saved my life the other day was. She had disappeared before I got chance to thank her.

Thank you

I fail to see why I should be threatened and panicky by a South African athlete who I will never meet. What I don't like are people who cheat to win hugely important sports events, no matter how they do it.

It's projection. That's what Uglydumpling is feeling right now.

Well no - I can't see inside your head. What made you think "threatened and panicky''?

also don’t think you are meanies - I think you feel threatened and panicky and therefore want everyone to agree with you and mis gender CS
No. Just pissed off at having to explain this on a bloody loop.
I know someone who has a DSD. He is male. His DSD does not turn him into a woman or a member of some third sex. He looks like a man, he sounds like a man, he has male pattern baldness. He lives 'as a man'.
CS was quite clearly living 'as a boy' by the time he hit that beach in Durban.

No, you tell us.
You made the remark.

I know you are, Boily.
I've seen the photos.

Not threatened, not panicky just thoroughly sick of men wanting things that aren't theirs to take.

And the words girl, woman, female, she and her do not belong to men.

No of course not but how many 15 year old girls do we see posing topless for a picture in boys swimming shorts?

And the the fears of genital inspection [that seems to be quite a theme, doesn't it? we get in re women's toilets too] are rendered irrelevant by the fact that a simple swab is all that's needed

As if drug testing doesn’t require athletes to strip round their middle whilst an independent assessor watches urine as it leaves their body….

IOC says men, including men with 5-ARD like Semenya, can no longer take part in women’s sports. And it those who agree with this that are meant to be the panicky ones? 🤔

Angry dear. The word you want is angry.

I am angry that women's interests are being put behind those of men. I am angry that you care so much more about the possibly hurt feelings of a man who unfairly took female medals and prize money and records than the women he displaced.

And I am not ashamed to be angry.

One of the levers the world uses to shame women out of standing up for ourselves and our sisters is that even justified female anger is a weakness, is unbecoming.

The lie that if we smile nicely enough at the people who fuck us over they will be motivated to look on us more kindly, that of their own voilition they will suddenly decide to treat us fairly after all. The potent cultural trope of female abasement and self sacrifice.

Nah, fuck that shit. It's just one more con the male-centred world runs on women.

I think you feel threatened and panicky and therefore want everyone to agree with you and misgender CS

I feel as far removed from "threatened and panicky" as it is possible to be.

It's not a question of agreement, either. There is nothing to discuss.
CS is a biological male.

He took medals away from women athletes, knowing that he was male.

My sympathies in this case are reserved for the women who were denied victory and prize money when a man ran in their category.

Randomly, due to a limited choice and a strong desire not to have to bother with my bikini line, I do actually wear a pair of boys swimming shorts with a tankini top.

Being made without a gusset, they give me terrible camel toe. I do not recommend boys shorts to any women of the original sex based type.

we're 'threatened and panicky'?

Nah, the world is starting to right itself and that big old 'the terfs were right jar' is filling up rapidly.

Gender ideology is in it's death throes and those desperately still trying to centre men are the ones who are threatened and panicky.

Yeah, it's the yeah but no but. You're all right, no wait a minute, I'm just gonna repeat everything I said before I said you're all right.

and then I saw this...😄 which nailed it

also don’t think you are meanies - I think you feel threatened and panicky and therefore want everyone to agree with you and mis gender CS

Threatened and panicky

🤣

Well that should tell the molecular biologists on this thread, at least.

I'm on record as have a degree of ... maybe 'sympathy' is too strong a word - for people with DSDs who genuinely do not know about their true sex until late in life.
I accept that there are circumstances in which a baby who does not look like a boy is considered to be a girl, and is brought up accordingly.
When it is revealed, whether naturally at puberty, or medically through chromosomal testing, I believe that young person deserves loving support to face and accept the shock of the truth about their biological sex.

In the current infamous cases in women's sports, the young people appear to have been pushed to continue IDing as female, because there's fame and fortune for their 'handlers' in having them take part in competitions where they have an inbuilt advantage.

However, and irrationally I admit, I find it hard to muster a lot of sympathy for Caster Semenya, who plays the cool dude celeb with a bit too much relish for my liking, and seems to be fully aware that we know that he knows that we know that he knows because everybody knows but he's getting away with it bigtime so the joke is on us...

The only thing I feel 'threatened' by is the assault on reality and scientific fact. Living in a post-factual world is disturbing; but it's OK I'm not panicky, Uglydumpling, I reckon common sense and reality will prevail. Eventually. Preferably ASAP

This is nothing to with trans..

Yes we know! We've been discussing eligibility for women's sports/men with DSDs.

No, it's to do with males.

As has been stated repeatedly on this very thread.

Males.

The way it's connected to trans ideology is because TRAs use DSDs as a wedge issue, and to pretend that sex isn't binary.

Awww. That's so lovely. <wipes away tear>
Who's the cat, though? Maybe it's your Rosenkavalier because a beetle is too small to carry a rose?
Am I destroying a beautiful moment by overthinking?

Because the whole gender ideology bullshit has been the moat enormous gift to those who want to centre males at the expense of females.

And is why, whenever we say 'he's very clearly a male with a specific DSD and shouldn't be competing against women' we get chapter and verse of the gender ideology playbook hits, including 'sex is on a spectrum!'

Misogyny turned up to the highest point.

The insistence for everyone to agree with your view - not you personally but the majority thinking on here - I see it time and time again on mumsnet that only one view fits on these issues

I can see why CS wants to see herself as a women AND I’m clear she should not take part In Womens sport - both views can exist

And DSDs don’t see themselves as trans so they are not on board with that