Why did MNHQ think it knew enough about feminism to split FWR into two

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Why did MNHQ decide that there are 2 types of feminism and that they should not be allowed to mix together so it split the Feminism and Women's Rights forum into 2. One for the nice girls who didn't want to discuss or even know that TW could be a threat to women's sex based rights, and one that tried to dumb down feminism into just discussing sex and gender but not related to feminism.

What was the point.

The thing about domestic violence and rape is that they have always been with us, and most likely always will be ( due to some of the differences between males and females). Obviously there has to be a place to share experiences with these issues and to organise to try to effect change in the systems and structures that women requre in those circumstances.

But the thing about trans ideology is that it is a fairly recent imposition; and one that threatens not only the integrity and dignity of the female sex, but also the safe and protected spaces that women require due to the other issues such as you have described in your post.

Not only that, but it has inserted itself into childhood and has sought to re-frame normal struggles with sexuality, sexual orientation and non conforming behaviours as being indicative of having been 'born in the wrong body' and so on.....and all that leads from that......

....Issues of freedom to speak the truth of 'sex', of one's instinctive recognition, and the right not to be forcerd to engage in someone else's imaginal self concept; the totalitarianism of group think, cancellation and censure and so on.

The impacts of trans ideology are profound and effect every area of public life, as well as our commonsense understanding and navigation of everyday reality.

I'd be interested if they did release it.

From what I remember those other boards always looked very busy. But I seem to recall, from a counting perspective, certainly on FWR, it's lurkers who increased the count.

There was a figure that said something like for everyone who posted they were x people (I can't remember), who are lurking and not posting.

Of course, half of those could've been TRAs. But nonetheless, the board brought revenue from advertisers. Which is why, when advertisers were targeted and they threatened to pull out, HQ panicked.

That's when they set up the premium service to split the revenue, divided the board, and ejected some very influential women.

Given the Supreme Court ruling, the Forstater ruling, and a whole bunch of other cases, people can talk much more freely now. So I hope advertisers aren't getting targeted at all now.

Personally I see responses on threads and they do not appear on 'active' so if there wasn't some FWR threads hidden from active I'd be surprised. They definitely hid the boards from active at various times.

100%.

To be clear, the fannies I referred to were the bad faith posters that are so hellbent on shutting women up.

I think you mean the poster who harangued us all endlessly to vote Labour at the time of the last General Election. At one point she did mention that she was one of those who pushed for the board split. She hasn't posted at all since the GE as far as I'm aware. Oh, and I didn't vote Labour.

I do recall her name but won't post it, in case it's "not in the spirit" somehow.

When I first discovered here, "peak" was a banned word. I was seriously puzzled by the references to mountain summits. We've come a long way from that, so I see the tumbleweed corner as a little gravestone to sillier times.

If they were that interesting then they would be thriving on the 'chat' board, wouldn't they? But instead most of the 'noise' and interest remains on this board.The board was split because there is clearly a lot of interest, and there continues to be, in discussing issues as they relate to gender ideology and its impact upon women and children.

It seemed as if what the 'intersectionalist' feminists really wanted was an ideological battle in which other women could be called bigots, or not really feminists at all, and told to focus on the things that they ( the intersectionalists) thought really mattered. It them became about positioning the women who wanted to talk about gender ideology as 'right wing' and on the wrong side of history more generally.

The poster who had joined the Labour Party 5 minutes before, yet lectured all of us former life long members how to vote.

I remember when “stunning and brave” would get you deleted.

I think I got a deletion for "hurty feels".

I got one for tim

I remember 'bless' being zapped.

I think that is probably a good summary. Is it just such a shame it's taken so much of our energy.

That particular poster reported a post of mine (annoyingly, I was actually trying to be pleasant) and I got my first deletion and naughty step warning email from MN.

I was quite late to finding MN, and when I did, I found AIBU first and spent a lot of time there. It was only when someone made a post on there, and some others piled on demanding to know why it wasn't in the right place, that I realised this one even existed.
I am so grateful for that poster! I had really felt very alone and alienated until I found this board, and realised not every single other person on the planet felt the way I was being told I should/must think.

I’ve also been deleted for being too general, and too specific. I’ve had two suspensions - one for comparing FGM to something else (IIRC) and one for telling a well know TRA to fuck off.

Maybe because there are a lot of other aspects of feminism that are still relevant and need discussing and some feminists don’t think about trans all the time

That's why the board was separated....so you could find somewhere where you didn't have to encounter 'trans/ gender' talk when you didn't want to but leave it to those that do.

Though for me, all other aspects of feminism have areas of intersection with trans ideology: pornography; prostitution; sexual violence; women's voices being silenced; male voices being prioritised; exploitation of children; women's language and words women use to describe or name their experience, and so on....as well as the more theoretical stuff.

I wonder whether those intersectionalist feminists who very much wanted people to vote Labour at the last election are still rooting for the Labour party, or whether they have now shifted their loyalty to the Greens?

They all have interaction with trans ideology? How is that helpful

Perhaps you can listed the feminist issues that you consider have not been negatively impacted by male people who claim to be female.

FFS. List not listed.

At the risk of teaching grandmothers to suck eggs, MN does provide a preview panel. And a small window to allow you to correct your post.

Against that, we are all guilty of 'fire and forget' posting.

Thanks for that. I am also not a Grandmother.

I haven’t RTFT so maybe this has already been pointed out … if you look at the threads on the ‘feminism chat’ board, the ‘split’ doesn’t seem to have worked as intended. There are threads on there which ‘should’ be on FWR , both boards have threads about surrogacy, violence about women and girls etc…so wtf is the point now, just means some threads on the other board don’t get much traction.

I could do without the glacial loading, or that way it has of crashing my browsers & draining my phone battery. Those seem far more useful than tinkering with an LLM.