Sandie Peggie: what an incredible woman!

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Had to share this interview with Sandie Peggie in today's Telegraph. What a woman!

All power to her appeal, and the thousands of women who are supporting it.

But what I don't get is why haven't the NHS got their act together? The law is clear, why aren't they protecting women?
https://archive.ph/cKr6e

Sandie shouldn't have made the racist jokes though, about flood victims no less. Lindsay didn't force her to make them.

I agree that Lindsay's actions are themselves very disturbing though : why did she want to derail this case to protect women's spaces?

Ss pps suggest, probably greed...

Excellent post.

I think some men can have great empathy but generally the average man scores lower than the average woman- and that's a big part of these problems.

No she shouldn't have. Agreed.

But what one of us could withstand the scrutiny of seven years of text messages? I'm sure they'd find something problematic for everyone of us if they looked hard enough.

Bear in mind the comments were in no way relevant to the case in hand, they were used to smear her more generally.

Lindsay's own WA weren't whiter than white if I recall correctly. Wasnt she discussing confidential patient information?

Hmm...well I think it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood. I'm sure most of us would have some criticiseable comment on our phones, but I think mocking deaths, including kids' deaths,,crosses a pretty big line.

I agree totally though that the messages were irrelevant to the case. All women deserve single sex spaces and it sets a dangerous precedent that only 'good' women should have their right to one respected.

I didn't know that about Lindsay but sounds likely. If she did that should be investigated.

Hmm...well I think it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood. I'm sure most of us would have some criticiseable comment on our phones, but I think mocking deaths, including kids' deaths,,crosses a pretty big line.

The point is not the individual example though. The point is that every one of us would have something that could be used to attack us, if that's the purpose.

However unsavory Sandi's views, they were not relevant to her job performance (which is more than you can say for Lindsay).

I agree that it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood, but it is also a fact that you have shared exactly the same 'jokes' much more widely than Sandie Peggie did. What your motives were for quoting them in full in a forum open to everyone on the Internet, I don't know. She shared them in a small closed group of friends. What her motives were for doing that, I don't know. It could have been that she was expressing incredulity that someone wrote such things. Maybe she gained some satisfaction from being edgy or controversial. Maybe she finds 'dark humour' funny; I confess that I have found at least one unpleasant joke about people's deaths funny (though at least it wasn't racist, so I can smugly claim that I'm better than anyone who laughed at the flood jokes).

What is obvious is that any racism doesn't prevent her from sympathising with Jennifer Melle.

Let she who is without sin cast the first stone.

It’s possible that Sandie is a racist. I don’t know. But even if she is she is still entitled to single sex spaces at work. And she is still incredibly courageous to see her life fall apart and still stand firm for single sex spaces. I might or might not like her if I met her, but I am so grateful to her for what she has done in standing up to the gender Borg.

I thought it was a great interview and in stark contrast to fabricating serious career ending patient care allegations, she wished Dr Upton had been treated better by their employer.

Definitely: this case is no different from a case where someone experiences sexual harassment, or any other kind of discrimination/privacy invasion. Their character/opinions etc are irrelevant to their right not to have their space invaded by biological men.

I don't think that logic always fits: by that logic we wouldn't be able to criticise 'Dr' Upton's behaviour either, since no-one is without sin.
When Jesus said that, he meant that the woman shouldn't be stoned. He still told her to stop committing adultery, that sentence wasn't a call to withhold moral judgement entirely.

The stronger point, which I agree with, is that Peggie is entitled to a dignified single sex space whatever else she says or does. No ifs, no buts.

Are working-class people unlikely to know what words like 'bigot' mean? I think that's a bit of an unwarranted assumption: vocabulary knowledge isn't necessarily dependent on class.
I agree with the wider point that it showed the fact that working class people are less likely to buy into stuff like TWAW and then face unfair accusations.

The stronger point, which I agree with, is that Peggie is entitled to a dignified single sex space whatever else she says or does. No ifs, no buts

Agree with this. I think shes a bit of an arsehole but that doesn’t make her case any less valid (or brave).

What does one take as a gift to JK’s birthday party though??

I think she said she needed to look it up, didn't she?

Agree on all of that.

I'd love to know what to take...🤣

Yes, what I meant was that pp's post implied that was due to class. I don't think that's necessarily true.

I agree that it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood, but it is also a fact that you have shared exactly the same 'jokes' much more widely than Sandie Peggie did.

Quite. I think that was a pretty crass thing for @Carla786 to do, but maybe she just didn't consider the feelings of anyone on this thread who might read those 'jokes' and be deeply, personally upset by them.

'Pushing her buttons ' -that just further exposes their greed.

Yes, she admitted discussing a patient, and their 'condition' in the WhatsApp chat, but such is the skewed sense of what's right and what's wrong at NHS Fife, that seems to have passed-by a disciplinary by either NHS Fife or the NMC. Breaching patient confidentiality is a no-no for nurses or any healthcare professionals.........just not in Fife apparently where it's fine as long as you're giving evidence on their behalf at a Tribunal. Have they gone lightly on her because she gave evidence against Sandie at the Tribunal? If so, it's just another sense of shoddy behaviour and process at NHS Fife.